Russian/ukraine war predictions

Bury the Trash · Mar 5, 2022

BrianV said:
The word is "around" Exeter not in it, You can be sure I would send the wife & kids away but it might not be all the way to Ireland to start with.

I don't know how old you are but i can remember empty cleared areas in Exeter where houses and shops were raised to the ground ,(like near in the Guildhall area before the shopping centre was built a huge empty area ,an impromptu primitive car park , surrounded by St Pancras Church the only build around just surviving ) by the Luftwaffe .
Plymouth ditto ,its never been the same since.
Our parents told us often of how they could see Exeter and Plymouth burning in the night Skies.

Keep emotion out of it ? not want to knock this chap and his tea makers out ? no sorry .

I suppose next you'll will be referring to this as a 'special operation' not a War

Alfred the average · Mar 5, 2022

BrianV said:
There have been times when they have warned Ukrainian civilians of their intentions to bomb areas & unfortunately there are always going to be people killed in any war but it is not in Russia's interest to be seen to be indiscriminately killing Ukrainian/Russian citizens. Their invasion would be far simpler if they simply bombed areas from the air rather than use ground troops with the inevitable losses.

They were not very bothered about civilian casualties in Syria . Maybe because not the same ethnicity? Racist is hardly a surprise.

Hindsight · Mar 5, 2022

BrianV said:
The word is "around" Exeter not in it, You can be sure I would send the wife & kids away but it might not be all the way to Ireland to start with.

And why not all the way to Ireland to start with Brian. I have never thank god been in a war zone. Maybe the folk fleeing to the Polish border worry that they may only get one chance to to leave Ukraine. And that moving just 10 miles out of town is not the best idea. I read the undercurrents of your statement. Priti has a place for you in her department.

JP1 · Mar 5, 2022

Smith31 said:
I may be wrong, I probably am about a number of things, I admit that.

I have donated to the Ukraine funds and feel immensely sad for the Ukrainian people, their president has done a Tony Blair on them and lead them to an unnecessary war.

However, I am not in favour of our troops going to war and sacrificing their lives, when the matter can be resolved via a phone call from Biden. If Obama and Trump could compromise with Putin why can't Biden do the same?

I fully support you, if you wish to send your own children to the war, as the travelling community say may god give them a bed in heaven.

Many of the Internet warriors on here craving for a war would soon change their tune if their children/grand children had to die for Biden.

Are you having a laugh?

Putin's duped the West over 22 years and changed his position militarily now . He's not on a peace keeping / special military operation, he's got death squads mounting a terror campaign directly against civilans and journalists as part of a land grab. He's known to want a "compromise" (for now) which keeps USSR the Eastern half of Ukraine but to include Kyiv.

I'm not calling for military intervention yet (like a no fly zone) as it may well precipitate WW3 proper but I am wanting my own Government to ramp up the sanctions they've promised now

Two Tone · Mar 5, 2022

Will0 said:
Why do they need to export via Odessa? They have their own Black sea port, or am I missing something?

Ukraine has plenty of Ports along its Eastern side in the Sea of Azov. But immediately after its annexation of Crimea, the Russians started construction of the Kerch (Crimea) Bridge, deliberately building it too low which restricts the size of ships that can enter the Sea of Azov from the Black Sea.

The Bridge itself was a bit of a rush Job, built by an Oligarch close to Putin and there are serious concerns as to how safe it is and how long it will last. Should it collapse, it could cause even more restrictions to shipping, including the Russian ports in the Sea of Azov. Resulting in increased Port traffic along the Ukrainian Black Sea coastline west of Crimea.
If you were Russia, wouldn’t you want control of them?

The FT raised concerns as to the possibility of an effect on shipping huge quantities of Ukrainian wheat when the Bridge was being built.

JP1 · Mar 5, 2022

Smith31 said:
The war started as Putin was against NATO bases in Ukraine, these would allow attacks on Russia. This is reported and accepted by all openly.

A simple compromise would have prevented the war, this would have saved countless lives.

So he wants to move his border West to be even closer to NATO forces? Come on

Derrick Hughes · Mar 5, 2022

Smith31 said:
This is sad, its one more reason why a diplomatic means to end the war needs to be found.

Like they tried to do with Hitler .

hoff135 · Mar 5, 2022

How long can russia keep this up? They are making hard work of everything. The convoy still seems stuck on the road to Kyiv. It was said at the start russia needed to win in 10 days or they'd start running out of missiles etc

BrianV · Mar 5, 2022

Hindsight said:
And why not all the way to Ireland to start with Brian. I have never thank god been in a war zone. Maybe the folk fleeing to the Polish border worry that they may only get one chance to to leave Ukraine. And that moving just 10 miles out of town is not the best idea. I read the undercurrents of your statement. Priti has a place for you in her department.

Let’s hope everyone is saying the same in a few years time

Smith31 · Mar 5, 2022

JP1 said:
Are you having a laugh?

Putin's duped the West over 22 years and changed his position militarily now . He's not on a peace keeping / special military operation, he's got death squads mounting a terror campaign directly against civilans and journalists as part of a land grab. He's known to want a "compromise" (for now) which keeps USSR the Eastern half of Ukraine but to include Kyev.

I'm not calling for military intervention yet (like a no fly zone) as it may well precipitate WW3 proper but I am wanting my own Government to ramp up the sanctions they've promised now

What gives us the moral high ground, do explain please. How many millions have we killed in Iraq, Syria, Ireland, Afghanistan, Libya via land and mineral grab wars... I have only quoted the recent deaths within our lifetime.

We need diplomacy, the problem is the media and far too many keyboard warriors are willing to play Rambo, by sending other people's children to their death in Ukraine.

BrianV · Mar 5, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
I don't know how old you are but i can remember empty cleared areas in Exeter where houses and shops were raised to the ground ,(like near in the Guildhall area before the shopping centre was built a huge empty area ,an impromptu primitive car park , surrounded by St Pancras Church the only build around just surviving ) by the Luftwaffe .
Plymouth ditto ,its never been the same since.
Our parents told us often of how they could see Exeter and Plymouth burning in the night Skies.

Keep emotion out of it ? not want to knock this chap and his tea makers out ? no sorry .

I suppose next you'll will be referring to this as a 'special operation' not a War

As you say keep emotions out of it & stick to reality, my father & his brother as young kids would lay in our fields & watch the buggers bomb Plymouth indiscriminately which at the moment is not what’s happened so far, I just think Putin has other ideas for the Ukrainians

som farmer · Mar 5, 2022

hoff135 said:
How long can russia keep this up? They are making hard work of everything. The convoy still seems stuck on the road to Kyiv. It was said at the start russia needed to win in 10 days or they'd start running out of missiles etc

he will keep it up, using ever more powerful weaponry/bombs, simply because he refuses to be seen as weak, which to be honest, he has already shown his weakness, in failing to conquer Ukraine, in his 'few days', and they will cede.

But he's a nutter, and nutters are not predictable. The political solution, is to give him those Russian 'enclaves' around Crimea, Breshnev, 'gave' those areas to Ukraine, back in the 50/60's, as a 'reward' for whatever, prior to that, they were part of Russia, dates might be out, but then, it was irrelevant, the USSR would last for ever. It hasn't, control was lost, Putins yes man was kicked out of power, in Ukraine. He's peed off, about a miscalculation that took place decades ago,

In his mind, he want's to be the man that restores the old USSR, back to its former glory, the fact that will never happen, just shows how nutty he really is. And no doubt his cadre of advisors, tell him exactly what he want's to hear, exactly the same as Hitlers cadre, disagree, and you disappear. And now, due to Europe's weakness, in thinking war in Europe, would ever happen again, defence budgets shrank, greater reliance on Russia for energy, Merkle and Putin were very pally, she was, after all, East German, with links to the 'secret service'. Rather convenient, and, she's gone very quiet.

Putins biggest mistake, may have been he acted to quickly, another few years, the EU, would have been to reliant on him.

JP1 · Mar 5, 2022

Smith31 said:
What gives us the moral high ground, do explain please. How many millions have we killed in Iraq, Syria, Ireland, Afghanistan, Libya via land and mineral grab wars... I have only quoted the recent deaths within our lifetime.

We need diplomacy, the problem is the media and far too many keyboard warriors are willing to play Rambo, by sending other people's children to their death in Ukraine.

I’m not being a Rambo

And my thoughts on Syria got panned at the time on here

I have no idea what / why on Ireland - as far as I can see that goes back over 400 years and was therefore before my time

None of that gives any legitimacy to Putin’s invasion of Ukraine so back on topic my comments still stand

Red Fred · Mar 5, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
I don't know how old you are but i can remember empty cleared areas in Exeter where houses and shops were raised to the ground ,(like near in the Guildhall area before the shopping centre was built a huge empty area ,an impromptu primitive car park , surrounded by St Pancras Church the only build around just surviving ) by the Luftwaffe .
Plymouth ditto ,its never been the same since.
Our parents told us often of how they could see Exeter and Plymouth burning in the night Skies.

Keep emotion out of it ? not want to knock this chap and his tea makers out ? no sorry .

I suppose next you'll will be referring to this as a 'special operation' not a War

Uncle Hubert was sent to Exeter by the Air Ministry to help with the bomb disposal after the big raid. He took quite a few photos of the ruins for his report.

TheTallGuy · Mar 5, 2022

Smith31 said:
What gives us the moral high ground, do explain please. How many have we killed in Iraq, Syria, Ireland, Afghanistan, Libya via land and mineral grab wars... I have only quoted the recent deaths in our lifetime.

We need diplomacy, the problem is too many keyboard warriors are willing to play Rambo by sending other people's children to their death in Ukraine.

Of those wars you mention, only Iraq was a mineral war, Ireland was the only land grab & that was perpetrated by the IRA who targeted civilians
Libya and Syria the west supported civilian uprisings against oppressive regimes & aimed to suppress government and ISIS forces that were targeting civilians
Afghanistan wouldn't have happened if the Taliban had given up supporting Al Qaeda - another bunch of terrorists targeting civilians....

Ffermer Bach · Mar 5, 2022

my fear is that Russia will start to use chemical weapons, which will then push NATO into joining the conflict.

Bury the Trash · Mar 5, 2022

BrianV said:
As you say keep emotions out of it & stick to reality, my father & his brother as young kids would lay in our fields & watch the buggers bomb Plymouth indiscriminately which at the moment is not what’s happened so far, I just think Putin has other ideas for the Ukrainians

The reality It is that that is what's happening now in Ukraine.have you no empathy with Volodymyr Zelensky ? or are you more suited to offering 'diplomacy in the style mr Lavrov .....

That is presenting a real threat to our country more than its been threatened for some years .

Those are the realities so why you deny it i really don't know.

Its noted now that the agreed humanitarian cease fire is not yet happening , shooting and bombing is still carrying on not allowing columns of innocent people to escape to safety

Will0 · Mar 5, 2022

Two Tone said:
Ukraine has plenty of Ports along its Eastern side in the Sea of Azov. But immediately after its annexation of Crimea, the Russians started construction of the Kerch (Crimea) Bridge, deliberately building it too low which restricts the size of ships that can enter the Sea of Azov from the Black Sea.

The Bridge itself was a bit of a rush Job, built by an Oligarch close to Putin and there are serious concerns as to how safe it is and how long it will last. Should it collapse, it could cause even more restrictions to shipping, including the Russian ports in the Sea of Azov. Resulting in increased Port traffic along the Ukrainian Black Sea coastline west of Crimea.
If you were Russia, wouldn’t you want control of them?

The FT raised concerns as to the possibility of an effect on shipping huge quantities of Ukrainian wheat when the Bridge was being built.

The Azov is very shallow anyway, I can‘t imagine its big on export. Novorossiysk is Russia’s Black Sea deep water export port, and I would imagine Odessa is Ukraine’s?

I’ve just got bored of our news saying that Putin wants access to the Black sea, without their sources consulting a map of Russia’s coastline. It makes a bit of a mockery of their reporting IMO

Smith31 · Mar 5, 2022

TheTallGuy said:
Of those wars you mention, only Iraq was a mineral war, Ireland was the only land grab & that was perpetrated by the IRA who targeted civilians
Libya and Syria the west supported civilian uprisings against oppressive regimes & aimed to suppress government and ISIS forces that were targeting civilians
Afghanistan wouldn't have happened if the Taliban had given up supporting Al Qaeda - another bunch of terrorists targeting civilians....

Hillary Clinton's emails confirmed that NATO's violent intervention in Libya came about because Gaddafi wanted paying in Gold.

NATO wanted to prevent a independent hard currency in Africa which would be free from the dollar, the IMF and the French African franc. Basically Nato are using African countries as slaves to their economies, hence the reason pregnant women can not obtain medical assistance in these countries.

The human rights abuses which Nato are guilty of far outweigh what Putin is guilty of.

Afganistan was invaded as it is rich in minerals required for electric vehicle development. China had now taken control and told others to leave or face the consequences.

Please use Google before defending the killing of innocent women and children, who were murdered because they were unfortunate enough to live in countries which are rich in natural resources.

If Muslims defend their country they are terrorists, if Ukrainians defend their country they are freedom fighters. Well no Ukrainian has ever paid British farmers £200 for their cull ewes.

BrianV · Mar 5, 2022

Bury the Trash said:
The reality It is that that is what's happening now in Ukraine.have you no empathy with Volodymyr Zelensky ? or are you more suited to offering 'diplomacy in the style mr Lavrov .....

That is presenting a real threat to our country more than its been threatened for some years .

Those are the realities so why you deny it i really don't know.

Its noted now that the agreed humanitarian cease fire is not yet happening , shooting and bombing is still carrying on not allowing columns of innocent people to escape to safety

Personally if I were Ukrainian then I would be asking how we got to this point & how our leadership could have handled it differently knowing before it started that you were on your own & how ruthless the Russians could be.

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