The war in Ukraine...

Devil's advocate · Apr 4, 2022

Hindsight said:
Long while yet my friend. That Natural Gas has still to keep coming into Europe. The impact of it being cut off is to much to even consider for European Politicians. The energy price rise will likely lead to recession. Actually forcing our friend Mr Putin to turn off the taps would drive Europe to a devastating depression which none of us would bear. That is the reality. Hey ho.

But if Russia steals Ukraine. Then Russia can use wheat as well as fossil fuels to blackmail the world.

To borrow from Churchill.

Appeasers feed an ever growing crocodile with their friends in the hope that they will be the last to be eaten.

Mek · Apr 4, 2022

I keep up with the reports because I think it’s important for this war to be at the front of everyone’s consciousness but quite honestly it’s making me weep everyday now , and I don’t normally consider myself a snowflake.

Devil's advocate · Apr 4, 2022

manhill said:
Apparently no condemnation of Putin is fortcoming from leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church whereas most other churches have done so.

Putin killed all clergy not on his side.

hoff135 · Apr 4, 2022

Think its about at the point where we need to send in the jets tbh

Danllan · Apr 4, 2022

Mek said:
I keep up with the reports because I think it’s important for this war to be at the front of everyone’s consciousness but quite honestly it’s making me weep everyday now , and I don’t normally consider myself a snowflake.

I'm certainly not, yet if anyone can witness these things and remain unmoved I'd think the worse of him.

ollie989898 · Apr 4, 2022

its yourself said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510966912724963328

I keep saying it and I mean it. We need to adopt total war and get on with it. So fudging what if Putin threatens nukes on the West. Get on and put in a no-fly zone. How many times will the West stand back and do nothing whilst civilians are killed and raped and keep pretending this is nothing to do with us?

This is an outrage.

Devil's advocate · Apr 4, 2022

ollie989898 said:
I keep saying it and I mean it. We need to adopt total war and get on with it. So fudging what if Putin threatens nukes on the West. Get on and put in a no-fly zone. How many times will the West stand back and do nothing whilst civilians are killed and raped and keep pretending this is nothing to do with us?

This is an outrage.

When I read, Total war, I thought you meant go for Moscow, that would be a step too far.

I wish we could go total war but within Ukraine, kick russians out.

spin cycle · Apr 4, 2022

a 'no fly zone' would be a severe escalation as it requires 'suppression of enemy air defences' (sead)....a us concept....it would mean attacking air defence systems in belarus and russia

russia has no 'sead' strategy and thats why they've not achieved air superiority

its yourself · Apr 4, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1510951119991812098

beardface · Apr 4, 2022

The Agrarian said:
There are elements in this which I'm sure are true, as being part of the whole picture. But the premise of the title, that America wanted the war, is very doubtful. Russia is not much of a threat to America. Russia provides much of the raw materials needed for American industry. A war increases the already present problem of inflation, which requires painful measures to correct. The war hurts the global reliance on the dollar for trading. The war reinforces the OPEC+ alliances, and the Russia/China alliance. The war directs russian materials and equity into the hands of the Chinese from the West. And so on...

America thrives on war. It made them in WW2 after the wall street crash. There entire economy is geared towards it. Hence why they've been involved in the most amount of conflicts, globally, of any nation in the last 100 years.

arcobob · Apr 4, 2022

beardface said:
America thrives on war. It made them in WW2 after the wall street crash. There entire economy is geared towards it. Hence why they've been involved in the most amount of conflicts, globally, of any nation in the last 100 years.

The US are opportunists and represent a multi- cultural society. They were late on parade in WW2 because of the German influence within their population. The Japanese sealed the deal with Pearl Harbour. Our little skirmish in Europe was not a serious US concern at the time. They have been long term allies but only when it suited them. NATO shows flaws and weaknesses but perhaps it ensures that the US is unequivically in favour of world democratic unity.

The Agrarian · Apr 4, 2022

manhill said:
Apparently no condemnation of Putin is fortcoming from leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church whereas most other churches have done so.

The leader of the RO, the equivalent of the pope if you like, is staunchly pro Putin. I don't think we know whether that's what he really thinks, or that's what he has to say in order to keep his head.

But I have seen his bishops, or leaders in the international branches of the RO come out against them.

Boomerang · Apr 4, 2022

Only NATO Can Save Putin

The odds of a palace coup against Putin are already low; the odds of such a move while Russia is at war with NATO are even lower.

www.theatlantic.com

This is Why NATO won't help .

beardface · Apr 4, 2022

arcobob said:
The US are opportunists and represent a multi- cultural society. They were late on parade in WW2 because of the German influence within their population. The Japanese sealed the deal with Pearl Harbour. Our little skirmish in Europe was not a serious US concern at the time. They have been long term allies but only when it suited them. NATO shows flaws and weaknesses but perhaps it ensures that the US is unequivically in favour of world democratic unity.

The US is in favour of unequivocal US power. They very nearly entered WW2 on the side of Hitler ( he was seen as the winning side at the time) until the Japanese committed suicide with Pearl Harbour. It was only because they were in axis with Hitler that the yanks then quickly changed tack. They saw Europe as a massive economic opportunity. There's evidence out there that they had actual plans to overthrow Britain and take control of Europe after defeating Hitler. The US elites are definitely noones friend.

It wouldn't surprise me if they aren't planning a large scale war with China (there real enemy right now). By using Ukraine to potentially destroy the current Russian regime they could potentially remove China's biggest ally from the battlefield, before the war has even begun.

arcobob · Apr 4, 2022

In WW2 the US feared Russian domination more than Adolf Hitler though they could not fiight on two fronts and chose to deal with Hitler first. McCartheyism and the cold war followed.

ollie989898 · Apr 4, 2022

Devil's advocate said:
When I read, Total war, I thought you meant go for Moscow, that would be a step too far.

I wish we could go total war but within Ukraine, kick russians out.

This is what I mean- get into Ukraine and do what needs to be done. I hope the Russian economy is borked beyond belief for a generation personally.

arcobob · Apr 4, 2022

ollie989898 said:
This is what I mean- get into Ukraine and do what needs to be done. I hope the Russian economy is borked beyond belief for a generation personally.

But there must be a voice that is universally heard which explains why the Russian people have been robbed and the economy screwed.

manhill · Apr 4, 2022

beardface said:
America thrives on war. It made them in WW2 after the wall street crash. There entire economy is geared towards it. Hence why they've been involved in the most amount of conflicts, globally, of any nation in the last 100 years.

You've had the benefit of US protection all your life so far, don't you realise that? Proof being that you're not forced to speak Russian and your mother hasn't been tortured and raped. Thank you America, you get on our nerves sometimes but we love you really!

its yourself · Apr 4, 2022

First Australian armoured vehicles bound for Ukraine painted and ready to go

Four ADF Bushmaster vehicles are hastily repainted and modified so they can be flown to Europe, after a direct public request for them from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

www.abc.net.au

Muck Spreader · Apr 4, 2022

manhill said:
Apparently no condemnation of Putin is fortcoming from leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church whereas most other churches have done so.

Patriarch Kirill, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, is a Putin groupie, because of his anti gay stance. He also wants the the Orthodox Church of Ukraine brought back under his control. But I think over 300 of his ministers have condemned the invasion.

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