Looming food crisis,what can uk ag industry do?
- Thread starter Pilatus
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- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
50 kg or 110 lbs (not a hundred weight)
Now we’re talking.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Has to be 112 lb surely? 1 cwt.
I had a few years staggering up the steps of the MF30 with 50 kg bags of seed. Was very glad to see half ton bags that the telehandler could boom out across the hopper.
We have gone all the way now. Loading shovel into our own heap, and tip it straight into hopper. no wasteful packaging, transport or nasty chemical dressings. My oh my we are green.
Reminds me must fill in HSS declaration.
I had a few years staggering up the steps of the MF30 with 50 kg bags of seed. Was very glad to see half ton bags that the telehandler could boom out across the hopper.
We have gone all the way now. Loading shovel into our own heap, and tip it straight into hopper. no wasteful packaging, transport or nasty chemical dressings. My oh my we are green.
Reminds me must fill in HSS declaration.
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
I don't know what? I don't think I am wrong to believe there is a portion of people who are without basic life skills simply because they cant be arsed to learn any.
- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
What are life skills? It’s 2022 life skills could just easily mean knowing how to work Apple Pay or download the Deliveroo App none of which I can do Life skills five thousand years ago meant making fire and hunting woolly mammoths none of which I’m good at either. Times change you have to change with them.
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- Owaka, New Zealand
Do whatever helps you keep your farm going.. a famine is going to happen whatever farmers do or don't do; the supply chains are about as robust as cobwebs, everything is "built fragile for efficiency".
Hence the mighty creaking sound going on as people try to pin it on Covid and war (there's always wars going on, it's just usually everyone's cheering on the instigators, because the news stories tell the public to cheer them on)
I would say it's a great time to consolidate; reduce liabilities, risk, and expenses - if you haven't made good money during the good years, then maybe it's time to get out of the game because there is a lot of pain coming yet
Producing more? That's been the metaphorical 'piece of black insulation tape cunningly placed over the warning light' for centuries.... if you want to know how it turns out, well here we all are, have a look
Hence the mighty creaking sound going on as people try to pin it on Covid and war (there's always wars going on, it's just usually everyone's cheering on the instigators, because the news stories tell the public to cheer them on)
I would say it's a great time to consolidate; reduce liabilities, risk, and expenses - if you haven't made good money during the good years, then maybe it's time to get out of the game because there is a lot of pain coming yet
Producing more? That's been the metaphorical 'piece of black insulation tape cunningly placed over the warning light' for centuries.... if you want to know how it turns out, well here we all are, have a look
But I don't like curryCurry!
It’s abit like the gps argument that occasionally crops up. People being called steering wheel attendants by people who can’t turn on a modern tractor.
- Location
- Lincolnshire
There is a big difference between knowing which buttons to press and actually having a real skill in my view.
Knowing which buttons to press isn't a skill in the same way as being able to drive across a hillside following a bout mark and being able to drive top side of it by an amount sufficient to compensate for slip and crabbing down the hill side.
Welding using a MIG welder isn't a skill in the same way as welding using a rod which isn't a skill in the same way as using a forge, a hammer an anvil and packet of borax flux.
So really we have deskilled in my view.
Using a horse to plough a field was really quite something and was more of a skill than using a tractor.
As mass manufacturing has increased skills have concentrated into the minds of the few and greatly declined across the masses in the West almost to the point of non existence.
As we have relied and leaned on non renewable resources we have become lazy and lost the knack and skill of generating something of value from almost nothing.
Grandad knew diesel when it was a waste product at a shilling a barrel. But he always said it made us lazy and profligate and we'd pay for it eventually.
Knowing which buttons to press isn't a skill in the same way as being able to drive across a hillside following a bout mark and being able to drive top side of it by an amount sufficient to compensate for slip and crabbing down the hill side.
Welding using a MIG welder isn't a skill in the same way as welding using a rod which isn't a skill in the same way as using a forge, a hammer an anvil and packet of borax flux.
So really we have deskilled in my view.
Using a horse to plough a field was really quite something and was more of a skill than using a tractor.
As mass manufacturing has increased skills have concentrated into the minds of the few and greatly declined across the masses in the West almost to the point of non existence.
As we have relied and leaned on non renewable resources we have become lazy and lost the knack and skill of generating something of value from almost nothing.
Grandad knew diesel when it was a waste product at a shilling a barrel. But he always said it made us lazy and profligate and we'd pay for it eventually.
- Location
- Essex
"Your farm" is going to "keep going" even if you manage to turn it into a dessert or thorny scrub.
Of course what you mean is your occupation of your farm.
Sorry to be pedantic.
We will eventually be a society dedicated to pure hedonism as everything will be done for us. Just a shame I will probably be dead or too old to really enjoy it before humanity completely destroys itself in an orgy of excess.
- Location
- Owaka, New Zealand
Maybe, and maybe not - deserts can be green, it's apparently a lot of hard work to create them, every year
the reality is that the planet really doesn't owe us a fraction of what we're prepared to extract from it... if it's all proving to be quite difficult and "hungry" on various things then it may be symptomatic of having to "earn its keep", which is quite an anthropocentric viewpoint, as we're the only species that pays to live here.
No wonder we court disappointment.
What if it's already earned its keep?
What if we actually owe Earth a debt?
What if repeating things over and over and expecting an entirely new outcome, actually isn't what helps us progress as a species from where we are today?
I personally think that you can change and tweak all you want, and it will still never have a transformative effect in the way that pulling apart our philosophies, superstitions, considerations and paradigms can do.
Pull apart the watch of success, put it back together in a way that works for you.
Recreate what it is to be human, from the stand that there is nothing to prove and nowhere to be
A lot of prejudice exists only because we don't think to check to see if it's fit for purpose in our current situation, someone told it us and we didn't put it past the testing questions.
If we have this script running our life then we can become very busy without fulfillment, as sometimes we aren't even following our own goals.
Would great grandpa really "turn in his grave" if we sold off a part of the farm, to safeguard the rest - or do we just choose to think that way because we've heard it said?
farmerm
Member
- Location
- Shropshire
I do not disagree, I am not saying someone in a flat in central London needs to know how to trap a seal or build an igloo. Ones life's skills need to relate to ones own reality not just reality TV. Having the skills to use Apply Pay or use the Deliveroo App is as pointless as having the skills to build an Igloo if they are part of an aspirational lifestyle one can not actually afford to maintain! Those choosing between a Deliveroo or heating have not equipped themselves with the life skills they need.
- Location
- LINCOLNSHIRE/KENYA
If you enjoy your work you’re very lucky which is unlike the vast majority of the population for them it’s something they have to do to earn money to enable them to go on holidays or buy iPhones and reverting to the 18th century where you worked to eat isn’t going to go down well however much farmers think they people should. Personally I couldn’t think of anything worse that a four day week or retirement at 50 however it’s the dream of many.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Ag inflation according to Anglia Farmers spokesman on radio this morning stated ag input inflation was 26% not the 7% the Gov loves to bandy about
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Be interesting to see who'd cope with those weekly rations
YAGRO How did Britain tackle the food shortages in World War II and what changes had to be made to Agriculture?
How did Britain tackle the food shortages in World War II and what changes had to be made to Agriculture?yagro.com
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Need another viewing of Vilsack
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
Aldi in hot water with mums over £8.49 baby milk formula
"So wrong."
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
- Location
- Lincolnshire
The general population think there is a world of infinite resources out there just for the taking.
Well there isn’t.
They are running out fast.
It’s not even really a case of money.
Its a case of population exceeding the resources available to sustain it.
People take it for granted they can have anything they want.
Nobody really talks about limiting the number of kids they have without getting accused of infringing human rights and nobody tells people straight that we need to reduce waste and over consumption.
So I’m really not that interested in boosting production to maintain the illusion that we can have more and more and more with no consideration whatsoever for the consequences.
If food gets expensive then it’s a good thing in my view. Maybe it will be appreciated and valued more and wasted less. A lot of people in the West are killings themselves by over eating anyway. I welcome high food prices. I am not concerned about them. I’m unlikely to boost production just to devalue what I do produce. I can’t really boost production anyway. If anything I will probably produce less as weather extremes become more common. It’s not like I have production system running at idle just waiting to go throttle is it?
Well there isn’t.
They are running out fast.
It’s not even really a case of money.
Its a case of population exceeding the resources available to sustain it.
People take it for granted they can have anything they want.
Nobody really talks about limiting the number of kids they have without getting accused of infringing human rights and nobody tells people straight that we need to reduce waste and over consumption.
So I’m really not that interested in boosting production to maintain the illusion that we can have more and more and more with no consideration whatsoever for the consequences.
If food gets expensive then it’s a good thing in my view. Maybe it will be appreciated and valued more and wasted less. A lot of people in the West are killings themselves by over eating anyway. I welcome high food prices. I am not concerned about them. I’m unlikely to boost production just to devalue what I do produce. I can’t really boost production anyway. If anything I will probably produce less as weather extremes become more common. It’s not like I have production system running at idle just waiting to go throttle is it?