Wellytrack
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She’s lovely and Placid. I think you could negotiate and make a deal with her before the tailgate goes down……..
The war in Ukraine...
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She’s lovely and Placid. I think you could negotiate and make a deal with her before the tailgate goes down……..
I may be wrong but I think France has the presidency of the eu at the moment and Macron is president of France at the moment so I think the answer is yes Macron is in charge of the EU.
Can be a bit temperamental or so they say!
BrianV
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Livestock FarmerIt's becoming more & more clear that the US intention from the very start has always been to deplete Russia's military without starting WW3 no mater what the cost would be to Ukraine or it's people.
This is a war that was deliberately manipulated to start by the USA from the very beginning, Putin's been suckered & has reacted in the way they always do!
i don’t think that’s the case
I think everyone thought putin would go in and take a couple of weeks to take over
two things surprised everybody was how poor the Russian army was equipped and disorganised
and how determined,and how well the Ukrainians have done
They had a parade, seen it on the telly.
Did you miss it?
The Russians weren't equipped to go in as they didn't expect to need to, what the Russians didn't plan for or expect were the weapons, men & training supplied by the US & UK already in Ukraine with eyes in the sky 24/7 ready to take out as much Russian military hardware within weeks of them crossing the border, don't think for a minute it's only Ukrainians alone that have been doing the damage.
Wellytrack
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Seemingly you cannot accept that Russia doesn’t view Ukraine as a country, they think they have no right to it and those there no right to live. If they had not invaded it there is no war. Simple as that.
So why are we being told that they will go into Finland etc etc?
Well
you don’t go call somebody’s bluff if haven’t got the equipment/technology to carry out what your proposing
they have shown their cards to the world and proved they ain’t the big force everyone thought they were
WHY do you keep blaming the west or USA surely you can’t blame them for giving the underdogs equipment
if you saw a young lad being beaten up by a adult would you not intervene
Danllan
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Even if he thinks it true, you'd think Macron would have the sense - and decency - to wind his neck in a bit on the matter... I guess he doesn't want any more Eastern States that, as he put it, 'don't know their place', to give Poland, Czechia etc. more weight.
Ukraine bid to join EU will take decades says Macron
The French leader suggests other ways the EU can help Ukraine, other than fast tracking its membership.
www.bbc.co.uk
ollie989898
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Even if he thinks it true, you'd think Macron would have the sense - and decency - to wind his neck in a bit on the matter... I guess he doesn't want any more Eastern States that, as he put it, 'don't know their place', to give Poland, Czechia etc. more weight.
Ukraine bid to join EU will take decades says Macron
The French leader suggests other ways the EU can help Ukraine, other than fast tracking its membership.www.bbc.co.uk
Please would he be kind enough to explain why it would take decades for the Ukrainians to join and yet the rest of Eastern Europe joined in a huge lump?
ollie989898
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renewablejohn
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Well you must be pretty stupid in that case. Of course the US and UK had to come in and defend Ukraine they had no option not to unless you dont believe in abiding by the agreement signed by US UK and Russia to enable the Ukraine to give up their nuclear weapons. Do you really think Russia would have invaded if Ukraine still had a nuclear arsenal.
renewablejohn
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I would rather both UK and Ukraine join EFTA and make it a viable alternative to the EU model.
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I think the big one is disputed territories. The EU wouldn't be keen to give Ukraine full membership whilst there are conflicts and massive territorial disputes over Crimea and the Donbas. Plus, I suspect there are many other economic and social criteria that need addressing as well. Macron's idea of some form of associate membership in the meantime is a reasonable proposal.
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It didn't work first time round when the UK tried to make it an alternative to the EU. Why do you think it would work now?
Do you think we would all be still here if they had, Ukraine is not all full of poor gentle peace loving souls as we are being led to believe, I can only go by what I have been told by someone close enough to know what really went on & was involved at a very early stage, you can believe what you like.
If you are prepared to think of alternative explanations then you will find some things definitely don't really add up!
Danllan
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Probably more takers; as I wrote before, if I was an advocate for the EU I would be telling Macron and chums to back up the Eastern States 100%. For the EU's long term, not to do so is just sowing dragon's teeth, because one they have more or less economic parity with the founders, their strongest reason for EU membership will have gone.
Wellytrack
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And ofcourse you can backup everything you are babbling about in that post with a citation or some evidence?