JohnGalway
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There apparently shooting their own injured soldiers instead of treating themA friend of mine said the same to me earlier today; yet it is hard to credit that with the eyes of the World on them they'd do that; but I know what you mean, there is that gut-feeling. On balance I don't think it probable, but the uneasiness of the situation just won't go away, it is possible...
Possible, but it seems very unlikely to me; any links that can back that up?There apparently shooting their own injured soldiers instead of treating them
It was on you tube it was Russian captured soldiers who was saying some of their colleagues was shot by their commander or generalPossible, but it seems very unlikely to me; any links that can back that up?
However, I saw a retired UK General being interviewed last night - Times Radio I think - and he echoed something I've heard from a pretty senior serving officer; that although we (Western defence / intelligence) think that the conflict there is most likely to drag on... there is also a very real chance that it could end abruptly for one or a combination of several reasons.
Most unlikely is that President Zelensky is killed or for another reason Ukrainian resolve collapses. Less unlikely, but not yet probable, is that Putin is overthrown (or dies, I guess). But what is now considered more likely, but still very far from certain, is that the Russian forces in theatre simply collapse / revolt.
We know that it's now 'officially' estimated that they've lost 30% of their teeth-arms, and we know that our MOD etc. do tend toward the conservative in their figures; so it could well be significantly more, certainly Russia will be doing all it can to restrict knowledge of the real figures.
But this does also tally with things posted on some forces' chat-rooms by former UK servicemen now in Ukraine. A couple of fellows who I know are pukka, and who were a bit sneaky over here so are probably being so over there, reckon that a lot of the Russian BTGs they have observed are 'operating' at very low manning levels, maybe as low as 50% in some cases, definitely less than 75%. Even if it's the lower figure, and only 25% are missing, that has huge practical and tactical implications - and, as was discussed earlier, the BTG is a pretty crap organisation / set-up anyway.
The problem the Russians have is that when you take unsustainable casualty numbers, you're in a spiral you can't get out of, other than by retreat. Food for thought.
Of course I'd hesitate to question youtube as a source of factual information... But, if that is true, it's not only terrible at an individual level, but spells utter ruin for the Russian Army as an organisation.It was on you tube it was Russian captured soldiers who was saying some of their colleagues was shot by their commander or general
one was shot because he’d been injured in a leg/legs and couldn’t walk
You are joking, whether it's Iraq Afghanistan & others or are you too young to remember those.
Once upon a time this country had moral authority, from WW2 to the Falklands to Kuwait we stood for doing the correct thing, then Blair came along & we became a prime example since then of a country not to be followed as an example.
We invade other countries with no justifiable reason yet condemn others for doing the same, we now confiscate private individuals assets from some countries but not others with just as bad of leadership, we make agreements only to break them later when they don't suit.
There's as much Arab & Chinese money from dodgy countries as Russian money here & has been for a long time but do we care?
How can we ever be taken seriously by demented leaders like Putin when we are no better ourselves?
Make of it what you will, first bit looks to be reasonable.Of course I'd hesitate to question youtube as a source of factual information... But, if that is true, it's not only terrible at an individual level, but spells utter ruin for the Russian Army as an organisation.
Obviously mate reading is not yet your strong point, you will see I said Falklands & Kuwait were with moral authority as for the rest if you want to be Blair's excuse for a mouthpiece then fine, guess it puts you just about on Putin's level!Bad examples mate. Falklands was an aggressor invading UK sovereign territory. Afghanistan was agreed and sanctioned by the UN and an international coalition. And GW1 was again an foreign aggressor invading another country who fortunately happened to be allied to the USA, UK and numerous other countries who promptly threw Saddam out. So that leaves Iraq 2003 as your sole example of western imperialism then?
Cause the first war benefitted the wests plans that why nobody cared, even gave them Satellite data. Nice example.
When Saddam invaded Kuwait the iraqi soldiers took babys out of an incubator, imagine that but hey that was a lie.
Weapons of Mass Destruction were also a lie.
Hey if it fits the narrative and broader geopolitical goals it seems to be ok to lie a little bit.
Well nah,
This has to be a different kind of cope to justify past alliances when Bin Laden himself was supporting the mujahideen with his daddys construction companies money. and has been staying in the country since the 80s before the taliban were even a thing.
This is what is waiting for the Russians in Finland.
You have got to assume that at least 80 to 90% of the men and equipment Russia originally invaded with, are now dead, destroyed or hors de combat in some other way. With little chance of much in the way of quality replacements ever becoming available. I was looking a some calculations on Russia's total tank availability which was estimated at only around 3000 serviceable units at the start of the invasion.Possible, but it seems very unlikely to me; any links that can back that up?
However, I saw a retired UK General being interviewed last night - Times Radio I think - and he echoed something I've heard from a pretty senior serving officer; that although we (Western defence / intelligence) think that the conflict there is most likely to drag on... there is also a very real chance that it could end abruptly for one or a combination of several reasons.
Most unlikely is that President Zelensky is killed or for another reason Ukrainian resolve collapses. Less unlikely, but not yet probable, is that Putin is overthrown (or dies, I guess). But what is now considered more likely, but still very far from certain, is that the Russian forces in theatre simply collapse / revolt.
We know that it's now 'officially' estimated that they've lost 30% of their teeth-arms, and we know that our MOD etc. do tend toward the conservative in their figures; so it could well be significantly more, certainly Russia will be doing all it can to restrict knowledge of the real figures.
But this does also tally with things posted on some forces' chat-rooms by former UK servicemen now in Ukraine. A couple of fellows who I know are pukka, and who were a bit sneaky over here so are probably being so over there, reckon that a lot of the Russian BTGs they have observed are 'operating' at very low manning levels, maybe as low as 50% in some cases, definitely less than 75%. Even if it's the lower figure, and only 25% are missing, that has huge practical and tactical implications - and, as was discussed earlier, the BTG is a pretty crap organisation / set-up anyway.
The problem the Russians have is that when you take unsustainable casualty numbers, you're in a spiral you can't get out of, other than by retreat. Food for thought.
There apparently shooting their own injured soldiers instead of treating them
Hmm... possible, but probably not realistic overall. I mentioned an Army chat-room earlier, it has contributors that are currently, verifiably (meaning known to me, or to people I know of and trust) operating in Ukraine. Some, who I don't know myself but who are accepted as genuine by others I do know, have given pretty high estimates of materiel being written off, but - other than for individual units - I haven't seen any claim higher than 70% overall, yet.You have got to assume that at least 80 to 90% of the men and equipment Russia originally invaded with, are now dead, destroyed or hors de combat in some other way. With little chance of much in the way of quality replacements ever becoming available. I was looking a some calculations on Russia's total tank availability which was estimated at only around 3000 serviceable units at the start of the invasion.
Ours, theirs, or both?My grandfather as a 17 year old was sent out into no man’s land after battles to shoot the wounded In 1914