The war in Ukraine...

lloyd · Jun 4, 2022

German said:
Well Irelands Population increased as well even after you tried to starve them to Death

Interestingly having read your past posts what are your views on the
peasant farmers of East Germany who had their land compulsory aquired(stolen) by the state which several decades later was resold to rich farmers from West Germany?
Where did all those displaced East German farmers /peasants go?America perhaps?
If you were one of those West german farmers who aquired cheap
land in the East during the 90s can you do the right thing and return it
to its rightful people please.

Muck Spreader · Jun 4, 2022

Excellent news from the Canadian volunteer:
"The 35th #Russian Army, fighting in the forests near #Izyum is, for all practical purposes, finished. The number of combat-ready infantry in some battalions of the Motorized Rifle Brigades is 12-15 soldiers (64th brigade), total number of the 38th and 64th Motorized. Rifle Brigades is less than a 100 combat-ready infantrymen in each brigade".

Muck Spreader · Jun 4, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1533036936327319553

will l · Jun 4, 2022

First the stamps now it is toilet paper.

German · Jun 4, 2022

lloyd said:
Interestingly having read your past posts what are your views on the
peasant farmers of East Germany who had their land compulsory aquired(stolen) by the state which several decades later was resold to rich farmers from West Germany?
Where did all those displaced East German farmers /peasants go?America perhaps?
If you were one of those West german farmers who aquired cheap
land in the East during the 90s can you do the right thing and return it
to its rightful people please.

This is funny because you obviously don't have a clue about Germany and especially the land collectivization in the east.
The collectivization came in 3 phases. At first everybody affiliated with the nazis got their land taken and this land got directly into the hands of the state and was later resold via the so called Treuhand. In the second Phase everybody with more than 100ha got their land repatriated and this land was exclusively given to so called new farmers that received small plots of lands. The GDR favoured workers and former serfs to get those lands or as youd call them peasents. The Majority of Land was in the hands of Farmers that had between 10ha and 100ha.
As the GDR figured that the small farms arent productive they collectivized the Rest. The Peasents or small farmers had to give their land to the LPG and in return became so called Shared Farmers that worked at the big farm. But the Land remained their property.
After the reunification some of them started farming again they were called Wiedereinrichter. The majority rents out their land to the Farming coops that followed the LPGs. The Land is still theirs.
The big Farmers, earls, local nobility and so on got the opportunity to buy back their land for the same price as it was sold for with a 10 year buy back clause. For example the land was sold for 1€ in 1993, the repatriated person can claim back that land until 2003 for the same price from the west German farmer that bought it in 1993.
Sure its unfair but seeing how many tenant farms you still have in the UK that solution isnt as bad

The only ones that dont have this opportunity are the people whos families were heavily involved with the NSDAP.

The Majority of land sold in the east was sold by its original owners btw. the Grandchildren of the small farmers that were collectivized but not repartiated. They used this opportunity to make some money.

lloyd · Jun 4, 2022

German said:
This is funny because you obviously don't have a clue about Germany and especially the land collectivization in the east.
The collectivization came in 3 phases. At first everybody affiliated with the nazis got their land taken and this land got directly into the hands of the state and was later resold via the so called Treuhand. In the second Phase everybody with more than 100ha got their land repatriated and this land was exclusively given to so called new farmers that received small plots of lands. The GDR favoured workers and former serfs to get those lands or as youd call them peasents. The Majority of Land was in the hands of Farmers that had between 10ha and 100ha.
As the GDR figured that the small farms arent productive they collectivized the Rest. The Peasents or small farmers had to give their land to the LPG and in return became so called Shared Farmers that worked at the big farm. But the Land remained their property.
After the reunification some of them started farming again they were called Wiedereinrichter. The majority rents out their land to the Farming coops that followed the LPGs. The Land is still theirs.
The big Farmers, earls, local nobility and so on got the opportunity to buy back their land for the same price as it was sold for with a 10 year buy back clause. For example the land was sold for 1€ in 1993, the repatriated person can claim back that land until 2003 for the same price from the west German farmer that bought it in 1993.
Sure its unfair but seeing how many tenant farms you still have in the UK that solution isnt as bad

The only ones that dont have this opportunity are the people whos families were heavily involved with the NSDAP.

The Majority of land sold in the east was sold by its original owners btw. the Grandchildren of the small farmers that were collectivized but not repartiated. They used this opportunity to make some money.

So any one with 247acres or above who originally got their land taken off them
had the chance to buy it back at the same price as rich West German farmers had
using finance that was really only available to them.
Nice for some not.

So did you expand East?

Ashtree · Jun 4, 2022

German said:
Should all go back to Britain, the country is big enough. Take them back

What the fu-k are you talking about? ROI is a completely pluralistic society. Nobody bothers about anybody else’s religion one way or another. Dont talk stupid bollox stuff.

JohnGalway · Jun 4, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532781951052021760

Devil's advocate · Jun 4, 2022

Devil's advocate said:
The Russians ones could have gone to live in Russia, its a big under populated country. Their parents/grand parents were sent there by Stalin to occupy land, taken by Russia & tp replace genocide of Ukrainians in the 30' & 40's maybe into the 50's.

Henarar said:
Nart like a bit of racism and so much for multiculturalism

Multicultruralism works reasonably in this country, because the vast majority of the countries population wants the best for this country.

In Ukraine a minority wants to rule a majority by using the next door neighbour to impose its miltary power.

You could argue a % of Bradford would like to be ruled by Pakistan. But it is not going to happen. Of course in Ukraine it is happening now.

Mr Mackay · Jun 4, 2022

Reports saying Severodonesk has been recaptured earlier.
Russians getting a pasting

JohnGalway · Jun 4, 2022

Mr Mackay said:
Reports saying Severodonesk has been recaptured earlier.
Russians getting a pasting

The high heel brigade taking heavy casualties as well

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532981046563819520

Danllan · Jun 4, 2022

What on Earth is Macron at now? FFS, how can Russia / Putin possibly be allowed to get away with anything in this? Fair enough his wanting to try and keep a dialogue at the start, but not it is simply and totally absurd to try and cater to / humour / placate Putin. And Italy is backing Macron, and Germany too...?

These are three countries that have lived under dictatorships and so should bloody well know better.

JohnGalway said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1532781951052021760

Was Ruslan holding a pot of vaseline...?

Hindsight · Jun 5, 2022

The Gas and Oil, the gas and oil, oh, and Milan fashion house and mercedes and luxury superyachts and……… putin just hasn’t played the game, or has he. They will destroy NATO if not careful.

robs1 · Jun 5, 2022

Hindsight said:
The Gas and Oil, the gas and oil, oh, and Milan fashion house and mercedes and luxury superyachts and……… putin just hasn’t played the game, or has he. They will destroy NATO if not careful.

Perhaps that's what Germany and Macron want, NATO finished would mean much easier to form the eu army then, nato wont be finished because the uk and usa are strong enough to keep the rest on board. I'm frankly amazed that the countries of Europe most impacted by both world wars didnt and still cant see the danger of appeasement, to say Putin mustn't be humiliated is like saying a paedophile should be allowed to run a youth club, putin is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people and should be on trial

Hindsight · Jun 5, 2022

robs1 said:
Perhaps that's what Germany and Macron want, NATO finished would mean much easier to form the eu army then, nato wont be finished because the uk and usa are strong enough to keep the rest on board. I'm frankly amazed that the countries of Europe most impacted by both world wars didnt and still cant see the danger of appeasement, to say Putin mustn't be humiliated is like saying a paedophile should be allowed to run a youth club, putin is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people and should be on trial

Abusive relationships are always difficult to understand from the outside. Usually a mix of reward, pain, reliance, dominance and subjugation. Think all the major European countries have those to an extent. What interests me is the clear hatred of the Russian state exhibited by the people and former states of the Eastern Bloc, with the exception of Hungary. Over the last few weeks I have had chance to ask a few local Lithuanian/Latvian etc folk there thoughts - generally not a good word for Russian or Russians. Hey ho.

I doubt they want to destroy NATO and you really must get counselling about your obsession with a EU Army(!!) Can be debilitating having such thoughts constantly circulating in ones head. No more a question of politics. How are the politicos going to explain to millions of European citizens the inflation coming through and the impact on cushy lives we have.

Hindsight · Jun 5, 2022

You have to chuckle. See how the Hungarian football authorities last night exploited a loophole in the ban on spectators to allow in children accompanied by an adult, thus there were 30,000 crowd and this time boos from children rather than adults. All great fun. Wonder how the sanction busting will go?

its yourself · Jun 5, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1533206149952159744

BrianV · Jun 5, 2022

Thank goodness there are still one or two countries with leaders possessing a brain rather than a desperation to be seen to be popular, it is painfully obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that Ukraine have little if any chance of forcing Russia out of Eastern Ukraine no mater how much you may wish it.
Prolonging this war will simply result in Ukraine losing more of it’s country & people until some type of negotiated ceasefire is found which is the only way to bring this to an end.
Russia is able to hit targets anywhere in Ukraine & as Western arms continue to arrive this will become only too clear, where are the world leaders trying to bring this to an end, sadly they are in the main terrified of not being seen to be in love with the Ukrainian leadership & are simply making this whole tragic episode far worse.
The world is now going through a phase thanks in the main to social media where it's a case of "if you aren't with us you are against us" which is a very dangerous way of looking at things!!

Mr Mackay · Jun 5, 2022

BrianV said:
Thank goodness there are still one or two countries with leaders possessing a brain rather than a desperation to be seen to be popular, it is painfully obvious to anyone with an ounce of sense that Ukraine have little if any chance of forcing Russia out of Eastern Ukraine no mater how much you may wish it.
Prolonging this war will simply result in Ukraine losing more of it’s country & people until some type of negotiated ceasefire is found which is the only way to bring this to an end.
Russia is able to hit targets anywhere in Ukraine & as Western arms continue to arrive this will become only too clear, where are the world leaders trying to bring this to an end, sadly they are in the main terrified of not being seen to be in love with the Ukrainian leadership & are simply making this whole tragic episode far worse.
The world is now going through a phase thanks in the main to social media where it's a case of "if you aren't with us you are against us" which is a very dangerous way of looking at things!!

That's one way of looking at it

Henarar · Jun 5, 2022

BrianV said:
The world is now going through a phase thanks in the main to social media where it's a case of "if you aren't with us you are against us" which is a very dangerous way of looking at things!!

You only have to look on here to see that.
Look at the closed minds that can do nothing but throw insults if someone has a different point of view

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