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lloyd

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Herefordshire
Its all a matter of perspective, yes they are relativley speaking in the developed world. Thats the beauty of wealth and privilege it distorts perception of what is valuable and fair
What about the millions of dollars spent on arms by some developing countries?
Would the money not be better spent on essential items like food?
Only in April the US announced a $1billion arms deal with Nigeria.
Are farmers supposed to subsidise these countries with very low food
prices so they can afford the latest attack helicopters.
 
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lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
Russia has launched a missile strike on the Nima-Tera private port in Mykolaiv,Ukraine.
Oligarch Dmytro Firtash owns it.There is a grain terminal on the territory.
Russia continues to exacerbate the food crisis.
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
you seem to want to appease russia, please tell me i'm wrong
I'm perhaps concerned with zelenskyys view that he will sacrifice many Ukrainians to protect every inch of Ukraine, when what he's talking about is a fairly arbitrary line in the sand. He wants to negotiate but has no desire to actually alter sny of his demands. Like many moments in history, the boundary of what he considers Ukraine was set in a time of good faith and covered a lot of historic and ethic Russia.

It's a sad day when two sides rampant nationalism and a sense of a mythical historic golden age are played out with the lives of lads not much older than my sons. But big countries, splitting into smaller countries, then joining new ones and the associated squabbles are nothing new.

The west will applaud Ukraine splitting from Russia and having a vite to join nato, but they will take the opposite view of Crimea and donbas voting to join Russia.

The fact it played out with the lives of the next generation, and the vandalism of swathes of their joint, peaceful history is beyond disgusting.

I have many friends from uni on both sides. Families with relatives on both sides of a conflict. I've studied the region for many years - I expect I'm one of a few here who has done academic study on the making of modern Ukraine, or on geopolitics of the region.

Anyway, way off topic. If you want my thoughts on the conflict you're welcome to pm. If it's just to direct abuse then please title so and I'll put it in the bin.

At the very least Google Firtash and see if you think he's the kind of chap you'd like to go out to dinner with. And tell me if you think he is a person of good character.
 

Chrisw

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Arable Farmer
Location
Cornwall
I'm perhaps concerned with zelenskyys view that he will sacrifice many Ukrainians to protect every inch of Ukraine, when what he's talking about is a fairly arbitrary line in the sand. He wants to negotiate but has no desire to actually alter sny of his demands. Like many moments in history, the boundary of what he considers Ukraine was set in a time of good faith and covered a lot of historic and ethic Russia.

It's a sad day when two sides rampant nationalism and a sense of a mythical historic golden age are played out with the lives of lads not much older than my sons. But big countries, splitting into smaller countries, then joining new ones and the associated squabbles are nothing new.

The west will applaud Ukraine splitting from Russia and having a vite to join nato, but they will take the opposite view of Crimea and donbas voting to join Russia.

The fact it played out with the lives of the next generation, and the vandalism of swathes of their joint, peaceful history is beyond disgusting.

I have many friends from uni on both sides. Families with relatives on both sides of a conflict. I've studied the region for many years - I expect I'm one of a few here who has done academic study on the making of modern Ukraine, or on geopolitics of the region.

Anyway, way off topic. If you want my thoughts on the conflict you're welcome to pm. If it's just to direct abuse then please title so and I'll put it in the bin.

At the very least Google Firtash and see if you think he's the kind of chap you'd like to go out to dinner with. And tell me if you think he is a person of good character.
It is no different to Catalonia voting to break away from Spain, and the EU instaling a puppet leader/government and arresting the elected "separatist" politicans. The difference here is that neighbouring countries didnt invade spain to "free" catalonia. No country can walk into another country with their army and expect to be anything other than a war monger, and one thats in the wrong. If people in donbass prefer russia, they can move.
Whys and wherefores aside, russia invaded wurh military might, he is in the wrong, so why should zelenski/ukraine reduce their demands? As far as I can see, they have one, withdraw the russian army from ukraine and cease hostilities.
 

teslacoils

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Arable Farmer
Location
Lincolnshire
There is so much more to this than "he started it". So much history.

If people in donbass prefer russia, they can move.I
f they prefer Ukraine, then they can move. See it's two sided. These regions have only been nominally modern Ukraine for a tiny quantity of time. Just spend some time looking at this history. It's a British thing it seems to assume the underdog most be the goodie and the aggressor must be the baddie.

Good thing we live in a country where difference of opinion is considered in a curtious and respectful way.

I'll state this again. I am pro peace. Now for the contentious - I don't think a bit of soil is worth dying over for anyone. Let alone young lads who a year ago would have been in school or playing football together.
 

Chrisw

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Arable Farmer
Location
Cornwall
There is so much more to this than "he started it". So much history.


f they prefer Ukraine, then they can move. See it's two sided. These regions have only been nominally modern Ukraine for a tiny quantity of time. Just spend some time looking at this history. It's a British thing it seems to assume the underdog most be the goodie and the aggressor must be the baddie.

Good thing we live in a country where difference of opinion is considered in a curtious and respectful way.

I'll state this again. I am pro peace. Now for the contentious - I don't think a bit of soil is worth dying over for anyone. Let alone young lads who a year ago would have been in school or playing football together.
I agree with you about the peace, but to take your view to it's logical conclusion, any agressior prepared to send people to die in an invasion would be able to just take what they wanted, as the defending side "shouldn't" fight them simply because people will die!
Ukranians don't have to move as the area is already in Ukraine.
Bit like if Scotland votes for independence from the UK, if brits don't like being in an independent Scotland they can move to England, thats their choice, but i would bet England won't send the armed forces in to reintegrate Scotland! Bottom line, is Russia had no right invading a country over a domestic issue!
 

lloyd

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Location
Herefordshire
The Donbas region was largely unpopulated until the second
half of the 17th century.The first town in the region was founded in 1676(Soledar)
built for exploiting newly discovered rock salt reserves.
This area at the time was largely under the control of the Ukranian Cossacks
and Turkic Crimean Khanate until the mid -late 18th century when the Russian empire conquered it and annexed Crimea.
Looking at the history closely the descendants of these original settlers
have been persecuted mostly since, leading up to the horrendous Holodomor
famine killing millions of rural living Ukranians .
We must not forget in the 1991 referendum on Ukrainian independence,83.9%
of voters in Donetsk Oblast and 83.6% in Luhansk Oblast supported Independence
from the Soviet union.
 
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