Hay making 2022

kiwi pom

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Location
canterbury NZ
What are others mowing with?.
I'm a trailed moco person, but also have a mounted conventional mower, for certain jobs.
My neighbour tells me a moco is a waste of fuel and only saves one tedding.
From my experience this year, the only bit I didn't condition, just hung on.
Later in the hay making season, it probably doesn't make so much difference.
I'm a mix of meadow, Timothy and short term rye grass.
Probably doesn't make much difference to a bunch of overgrown dry standing to be fair. Conditioners are there to help young quality grass to get the DM right for silage/haylage as quickly as possible.
 

hendrebc

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Livestock Farmer
I've got an 8foot vicon mounted with a conditioner. I think it does make a difference but not really enough to justify another conditioner on the next mower. I'll just put the extra towards a bigger tedder or a wider mower.
If I was doing silage I'd maybe stick with a conditioner though because you could maybe get away with not tedding but if your making hay you still have to Ted it so don't really see the benefit. I could screw the conditioner tighter but it knocks when I do it's catching on something and I can't find it :bag:
 

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
What are others mowing with?.
I'm a trailed moco person, but also have a mounted conventional mower, for certain jobs.
My neighbour tells me a moco is a waste of fuel and only saves one tedding.
From my experience this year, the only bit I didn't condition, just hung on.
Later in the hay making season, it probably doesn't make so much difference.
I'm a mix of meadow, Timothy and short term rye grass.
I stopped using a moco 3 years ago and don't regret it, even last year i don't think it makes much difference - I only make mature haylage or hay though.

The cost, the weight, the hp required, maintainence, and difficulty of mowing some fields where the grass would wrap in the conditioner before being cut off- a nightmare, also influenced my decision. Not necessarily in that order.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I did some hay in June that I thought was OK it was mostly stems that should have been cut 2 weeks earlier but I was waiting on some red clover to come ready same time. It all (only 40odd bales) heated up quite badly and they had black patches on them they were sweating so much. Lucky I didn't stack them. The hay looks like sh!t it's all brown and odd looking but I have a cull cow and 2 calves in the shed and they are going mad for the hay they really like it so it can't be that bad.

If it got hot without going musty (or setting fire), then some of the sugars will have caramelised. Feed value won’t be just as good but stock will go mad for it, so maybe higher intakes compensate for lower ME to a point?Not ideal, but certainly not a disaster either.

Does it smell of caramel?
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Just got home after finishing baling. Didn't start till 9.30pm because I fell asleep reading my daughter a bedtime story :X3: but it was probably best because it was still a bit crispy when I started but not long after as the sun disappeared it got much better the baler was picking it up clean. It was still bone dry and big clouds of dust coming off the baler. Still 26°c at 12.15am if the car was right.

Glad you got it baled, and hopefully gave the neighbours something to chatter about by baling hay after dark.👍😂
 
If it got hot without going musty (or setting fire), then some of the sugars will have caramelised. Feed value won’t be just as good but stock will go mad for it, so maybe higher intakes compensate for lower ME to a point?Not ideal, but certainly not a disaster either.

Does it smell of caramel?
When it's like that it smells like pipe tobacco to me. (Although I haven't tried it😂😂) Cows love it and look fine on it in my experience but a bale doesn't last as long so they probably are eating more.

The old boys used to say good hay makes in the shed.!

If it's damp from rain then you will get dust and mould and stock won't do well
 

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
When it's like that it smells like pipe tobacco to me. (Although I haven't tried it😂😂) Cows love it and look fine on it in my experience but a bale doesn't last as long so they probably are eating more.

The old boys used to say good hay makes in the shed.!

If it's damp from rain then you will get dust and mould and stock won't do well
I think that it smells more like old Holbourn, not that I have ever made any tobacco hay you understand
 

hendrebc

Member
Livestock Farmer
If it got hot without going musty (or setting fire), then some of the sugars will have caramelised. Feed value won’t be just as good but stock will go mad for it, so maybe higher intakes compensate for lower ME to a point?Not ideal, but certainly not a disaster either.

Does it smell of caramel?
It smells nice and sweet yes I suppose it is like caramel but does have the odd patch of mould in it. The Cull cow I have in absolutely loves it.
 

jonny

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Location
leitrim
Couple of pictures from yesterday
 

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Farmer_Joe

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Livestock Farmer
Location
The North
I stopped using a moco 3 years ago and don't regret it, even last year i don't think it makes much difference - I only make mature haylage or hay though.

The cost, the weight, the hp required, maintainence, and difficulty of mowing some fields where the grass would wrap in the conditioner before being cut off- a nightmare, also influenced my decision. Not necessarily in that order.

I’ve got 328 jd mo co with spreading vanes, spreads fully over width just leaves a few in hind clear spots you can see where to drive, literally saves a full pass of tedding and kills it much faster ( most wilting is supposed to take place in first 24hrs) would not be without a mower with spreader kits now,

Some of the hay I made this year due to being so dry was not turned with Tedder once after the mower was dead ish crop though
 
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Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Finished stacking the hay whilst waiting for the combine, I haven't finished hay before harvest for years and harvest is early, my contractor finished his wheat today and will start on his winter beans tonight, July 23 :D

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There should have been enough to fill this shed above, it wasn't fertiliser economy either.

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There were only 2 rows of new season in this shed, the left hand row is left over last years thank goodness, we should have 4 rows of hay ideally, I wasted more hay last year than I made this year, most of this is organic so not much to do with fertiliser price either, not enough water.
 

FG.

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Mixed Farmer
Location
North Wiltshire
Planned to go to The Game Fair at Ragley Hall today, but a friend who does one of the gundog demo's, sent me a pic, down one of the stall aisles😲.
I've got a lump hay I'm making for a neighbouring farm, which I'm going to bale today, instead.
I wonder if sunday might be quieter.
 

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