Beef / Lamb & Pig Price Tracker

livestock 1 · Jul 30, 2022

Mc115reed said:
the people who buy the top end types, will buy exactly what they always do at what ever price they have to pay… the bottom end will be what suffers and some might even sell for less than cull money

Is Tony not going??!

Werzle · Jul 30, 2022

Hfd Cattle said:
For all the doom and gloom in Ag at the moment .....as soon as a decent patch comes on the market for sale or rent there is a huge demand and competition by other farmers to take it on !
...70 acres sold recently not far away from us ...£20,000 and acre and plenty after it ...all farmers !

How many are actually paying for it ? Longterm Interest only AMC loans i expect . AD plant income has driven land prices in herefordshire followed by the soft fruit men, then theres the development money and big milk men. Nobody wanted land when it was £2500/ac, since its hit 10k+/ac everybody wants some. Glad we bought an extra 138acs between 1990 and 2002 before the madness set in.

Skintagain · Jul 30, 2022

Electricfencer said:
I can't do any of that stuff, maybe that's why I'm broke.

You will have to go into dog grooming as you are a fair hand at shearing

Jackov Altraids · Jul 30, 2022

jackrussell101 said:
Scale the stock back and get a job seems like the most sensible thing to do at the minute. If they're not willing to pay for the food then fuk them.

Full of bull(s) said:
No that’s not the answer, scaling back and going part time is the Irish and Danish model and they are on lower prices than us. It’s just playing into their hands, swapping one way of subsidising cheap food for another. Pack in altogether, don’t do two jobs for one wage

I think you are both correct.

It is much better for our industry if we scale back rather than continually work harder, with evermore capital invested chasing decreasing margins.
But is vital that ANY non farming income, whether employment, holiday lets etc, is not used to subsidise food production.
Far too many of us have got caught chasing the minimum profit to maintain our farms by continually increasing production. This is often not sustainable.
Profit margins are considerably better at a lower stocking rates but without access to vast areas, you can't get the critical profit to live on.
Having 2 part time jobs [one is your farming] could well be the most profitable, least risk and most enjoyable. future.

cattleman123 · Jul 30, 2022

Electricfencer said:
It will be very interesting to see what the mule trade is like a thame, there is zero grass round here now and cant see people wanting there replacements for April lambing kicking about. My best mate who 5 years ago would take land on up to 200 miles away told me last week that they aren't going to buy any replacements this year and give up a ruck of land, they are the hardest working family I would know so if they have had enough I would think that's a trend. I also think mule running gimmer lambs will be a poorer trade, people usually buy them when they have a load of spare cash and/or grass, if you have neither your probably not going to go out and buy 200 extra mouths.

The problem is even thou the sheep job has been good all these extra costs just make the job not worth some of the hassle...hence

cattleman123 · Jul 30, 2022

livestock 1 said:
Is Tony not going??!

From what i have seen...he is struggling to sell some of the sheep he has as well...

Estate fencing. · Jul 30, 2022

Skintagain said:
You will have to go into dog grooming as you are a fair hand at shearing

I will have practice on my mate, might loose my arm mind.

Optimus · Jul 30, 2022

livestock 1 said:
This lot reminds me a lot of bse. Cake for cattle cereals fertiliser and diesel weren’t expensive as such at the time compared to now but the drop in value of beef was a lesson. I was quietly making a lot of money and had taken a farm on a good few years before all borrowed money and two years after I bought the stock it all halved in value. Just before bse everything had straightened out margins were very good I was feeding a good few beast and the money they were coming to was fantastic in my eyes. Once it dropped the good margin became a minus and the job was hopeless. Probably didn’t see it coming to be fair. This lot is something very different stock values are fairly strong even with the recent drop but compared to the ever rising cost of everything the answer is the same. When you’ve seen it once you know what’s coming

Found an old kill sheet the other day from 1998 £1.85/kg

Werzle · Jul 30, 2022

Jackov Altraids said:
I think you are both correct.

It is much better for our industry if we scale back rather than continually work harder, with evermore capital invested chasing decreasing margins.
But is vital that ANY non farming income, whether employment, holiday lets etc, is not used to subsidise food production.
Far too many of us have got caught chasing the minimum profit to maintain our farms by continually increasing production. This is often not sustainable.
Profit margins are considerably better at a lower stocking rates but without access to vast areas, you can't get the critical profit to live on.
Having 2 part time jobs [one is your farming] could well be the most profitable, least risk and most enjoyable. future.

Millions in assets but working for the minimum wage, thats farming!

harperfarmer · Jul 30, 2022

Hfd Cattle said:
For all the doom and gloom in Ag at the moment .....as soon as a decent patch comes on the market for sale or rent there is a huge demand and competition by other farmers to take it on !
...70 acres sold recently not far away from us ...£20,000 and acre and plenty after it ...all farmers !

Might be farmers competing for it but its not farming paying for it. Rollover money artificially inflates everything. Its the same round here. £15k/acre standard, if two men are keen up to £25k/acre.

yellowbelly · Jul 30, 2022

aangus said:
I now have an abundance of grass, and could do with 100 Tex X shearlings, will there be many entered or is it too soon for white faced breeders?

You can have mine - gonna have to have 'a change in farming policy' (I think that's how they usually describe it) .....

Not 100% sure how many we've got but it'll probably be a bit shy of 100.

As this is a price tracker

anybody, that's been to a recent gimmer sale, care to put a value on 'em :scratchhead:

Northeastfarmer · Jul 30, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You can have mine - gonna have to have 'a change in farming policy' (I think that's how they usually describe it) .....
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Not 100% sure how many we've got but it'll probably be a bit shy of 100.

As this is a price tracker anybody, that's been to a recent gimmer sale, care to put a value on 'em

If shearlings probably around £220-£240

Estate fencing. · Jul 30, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You can have mine - gonna have to have 'a change in farming policy' (I think that's how they usually describe it) .....
View attachment 1053025
Not 100% sure how many we've got but it'll probably be a bit shy of 100.

As this is a price tracker anybody, that's been to a recent gimmer sale, care to put a value on 'em

£80, jobs fallen out of bed, I will give you £83 if you deliver though.

Estate fencing. · Jul 30, 2022

Seriously They got to be over £200 for those types.

Mc115reed · Jul 30, 2022

Electricfencer said:
£80, jobs fallen out of bed, I will give you £83 if you deliver though.

I’ll bid you £85 if you deliver

Anymulewilldo · Jul 30, 2022

Mc115reed said:
I’ll bid you £85 if you deliver

Be fair, they are worth £140-160 on the hook, give the man £115!

yellowbelly · Jul 30, 2022

Northeastfarmer said:
If shearlings probably around £220-£240

Electricfencer said:
£80, jobs fallen out of bed, I will give you £83 if you deliver though.

Mc115reed said:
I’ll bid you £85 if you deliver

Electricfencer said:
Seriously They got to be over £200 for those types.

Hhmm, can't beat a good spread of offers

Pity I can't see your faces, then I could see which ones were wearing masks

Mc115reed · Jul 30, 2022

Anymulewilldo said:
Be fair, they are worth £140-160 on the hook, give the man £115!

Yeah but then he’s levy rates and commission ect too pay and going to market with the scab risk he can’t fetch them home if he doesn’t agree with the price… better just selling them me for £100 final offer private deal

Bob the beef · Jul 30, 2022

yellowbelly said:
Hhmm, can't beat a good spread of offers

Pity I can't see your faces, then I could see which ones were wearing masks

Wait until @livestock 1 comes along with his offer……..

He’ll likely give you £70, want them delivered, double jagged with Hep P and enzo too

and hold them until tipping time in November

aangus · Jul 30, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You can have mine - gonna have to have 'a change in farming policy' (I think that's how they usually describe it) .....
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Not 100% sure how many we've got but it'll probably be a bit shy of 100.

As this is a price tracker anybody, that's been to a recent gimmer sale, care to put a value on 'em

Very nice sheep, unfortunately out off my price bracket. Got to be in or around 215. BTW they are not suffering from the lack of grass

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