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Treg

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Livestock Farmer
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Cornwall
I will happily do that. I asked Guy Smith on here why he wouldn't sit down with Craig Bennett (head of The Wildlife Trust) to explore common ground. Guy replied that he (Guy) wasn't important enough, which I thought was a p!ss poor response.
I've gone to a NFU meeting where Cornwall wildlife Trust have asked to work with the NFU in promoting livestock farming in the South West because their worried the anti meat agenda could harm livestock farm numbers in the South West and have a knock on effect to wildlife.
NFU didn't want to know, they have their own education department, the woman from CWT sat down bewildered 😒
Thankfully CWT is starting to find it's voice and are doing Wildlife Groundswell in October.
 

Cowcorn

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Mixed Farmer
I will happily do that. I asked Guy Smith on here why he wouldn't sit down with Craig Bennett (head of The Wildlife Trust) to explore common ground. Guy replied that he (Guy) wasn't important enough, which I thought was a p!ss poor response.
You have to hand it to him thats a very handy answer for getting out of meeting people he isnt keen to meet .
Must remember it for the next time i need to snake out of meeting the in laws !!!
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I've gone to a NFU meeting where Cornwall wildlife Trust have asked to work with the NFU in promoting livestock farming in the South West because their worried the anti meat agenda could harm livestock farm numbers in the South West and have a knock on effect to wildlife.
NFU didn't want to know, they have their own education department, the woman from CWT sat down bewildered 😒
Thankfully CWT is starting to find it's voice and are doing Wildlife Groundswell in October.
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I've gone to a NFU meeting where Cornwall wildlife Trust have asked to work with the NFU in promoting livestock farming in the South West because their worried the anti meat agenda could harm livestock farm numbers in the South West and have a knock on effect to wildlife.
NFU didn't want to know, they have their own education department, the woman from CWT sat down bewildered 😒
Thankfully CWT is starting to find it's voice and are doing Wildlife Groundswell in October.

I hate to burst anyone’s bubble, but CWT are a mile away from most livestock farmers in general and me in particular.

While their collecting boxes rattle to the public it may have escaped your notice that the black and white illustration which is the public’s hook / cash, is a badger. They would never support controlling tuberculosis in this overpopulated species by culling, preferring vaccination. No matter how many vaccination trials were done, unsuccessfully, no matter that badger vax, a unique concoction with Danish heritage, has been responsible for the demise of one well documented Irish cat. They want to vaccinate badgers. Any badger, with any health status at any time.



And then there’s beavers. Of course they‘ll stay where they’re released. Why wouldn’t they? Never mind that their ponds will encroach on neighbouring farmland as they wander, rendering a water course a mile wide swamp, full of dead native trees and stagnant, mosquito ridden pools.

The Wildlife trusts have pictures and cuddly toys of both, decorating their booths.
 
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Treg

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Livestock Farmer
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Cornwall
I hate to burst anyone’s bubble, but CWT are a mile away from most livestock farmers in general and me in particular.

While their collecting boxes rattle to the public it may have escaped your notice that the black and white illustration which is the public’s hook / cash, is a badger. They would never support controlling tuberculosis in this overpopulated species by culling, preferring vaccination. No matter how many vaccination trials were done, unsuccessfully, no matter that badger vax, a unique concoction with Danish heritage, has been responsible for one well documented Irish cat. They want to vaccinate badgers. Any badger, with any health status at any time.



And then there’s beavers. Of course they‘ll stay where they’re released. Why wouldn’t they? Never mind that their ponds will encroach on neighbouring farmland as they wander, rendering a water course a mile wide swamp, full of dead native trees and stagnant, mosquito ridden pools.

The Wildlife trusts have pictures and cuddly toys of both, decorating their booths.
I have close friends and family who I don't agree with on everything.
I wouldn't expect CWT to come on my farm and pat me on my back and say I'm perfect but as @delilah says there's a lot of common ground.
Does the wildlife Trusts or the NFU do the most damage to our industry?
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
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Cornwall

BrianV

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Dartmoor
That was last year's, this year's has workshops from the 2nd October to 8th October .
Their doing some really good work behind the scenes , asking for very similar to @,delilah and are doing trials for Defra.
Let’s be honest farmers are not stupid, ourselves as others are quite happy to be paid well to do less if the opportunity arises, if some organisation has money to throw at wildlife whilst half the world starves who are we to worry about it, we all prefer to see more birds, flowers butterflies etc rather than than the work involved for food to be grown to keep people alive.
As I say farmers are not stupid & if you can gain financially from someone else’s pipe dream then only a fool or a very principled person would pass up such an opportunity!
 

An Gof

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Location
Cornwall
I hate to burst anyone’s bubble, but CWT are a mile away from most livestock farmers in general and me in particular.

While their collecting boxes rattle to the public it may have escaped your notice that the black and white illustration which is the public’s hook / cash, is a badger. They would never support controlling tuberculosis in this overpopulated species by culling, preferring vaccination. No matter how many vaccination trials were done, unsuccessfully, no matter that badger vax, a unique concoction with Danish heritage, has been responsible for one well documented Irish cat. They want to vaccinate badgers. Any badger, with any health status at any time.



And then there’s beavers. Of course they‘ll stay where they’re released. Why wouldn’t they? Never mind that their ponds will encroach on neighbouring farmland as they wander, rendering a water course a mile wide swamp, full of dead native trees and stagnant, mosquito ridden pools.

The Wildlife trusts have pictures and cuddly toys of both, decorating their booths.

As always, the voice of reason @matthew 👍
 

Hfd Cattle

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
I graze a few orchards for the Wildlife Trust
There are tons and tons of lovely apples pears and plums dropping on the ground and rotting away.
I mentioned to the 'warden' that they could pick them and donate them to the food bank .....he just looked at jeans if I was stupid .
On Fri my OH went and picked a load and took them to folks in the village who are 'a bit less able'

Meanwhile .. millions of pounds are raised by these organisations with their rattle tins yet they let good produce go to waste .
 

Yale

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Livestock Farmer
Recently we have started a woodland project with our local wildlife trust.

I‘ve been really impressed with the attitude of the two representatives who I have dealt with. One is a local guy who ‘gets it’ that farmers are the key to delivering environmental projects. Yes, I disagree with their fervent defending of badgers but sometimes you have to put things aside if they are not involved.

There are some very good things being done by wildlife trusts and also by farmers. We need to understand that together we can deliver results far better than DEFRA currently are!
 

delilah

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I have close friends and family who I don't agree with on everything.

This.
Don't get bogged down on one issue. Please.
There is no point farmers putting their wagons in a circle. We don't have enough wagons. We need allies. If we are going to refuse to work with any particular organisation because we don't agree with them on every single issue, then we are fecked.
I have just looked at that 'Groundswell Cornwall' article. The room was packed. I have been to Westpoint meetings for local farmers where there was more speakers than attendees. Anyone who thinks that their farm has a bright future if they treat the environmental movement as the enemy, needs to give their head a wobble.
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
Let’s be honest farmers are not stupid, ourselves as others are quite happy to be paid well to do less if the opportunity arises, if some organisation has money to throw at wildlife whilst half the world starves who are we to worry about it, we all prefer to see more birds, flowers butterflies etc rather than than the work involved for food to be grown to keep people alive.
As I say farmers are not stupid & if you can gain financially from someone else’s pipe dream then only a fool or a very principled person would pass up such an opportunity!
I get what your saying @BrianV but their looking at it the same way as delilah s been saying , pay for permanent pasture because it already provides the benefits for wildlife. Their worry is if Permanent pasture is ploughed up there could be a significant lose of wildlife.
Not sure what things are like in Devon but lots of small family livestock farms here have been getting out of livestock and renting out for Veg, it's devastating fir local wildlife and the land becomes lifeless😒
I know we need food but there has to be balance in our local environments.
 

Muddyroads

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Location
Exeter, Devon
I get what your saying @BrianV but their looking at it the same way as delilah s been saying , pay for permanent pasture because it already provides the benefits for wildlife. Their worry is if Permanent pasture is ploughed up there could be a significant lose of wildlife.
Not sure what things are like in Devon but lots of small family livestock farms here have been getting out of livestock and renting out for Veg, it's devastating fir local wildlife and the land becomes lifeless😒
I know we need food but there has to be balance in our local environments.
I’ve seen a huge increase in bird numbers since we started growing veg here 3 years ago. We’re a mixed farm though with a range of habitats. The fact that we’re organic means there are more weeds amongst the veg than conventional and that seems to be feeding a lot of them at the moment.
 

Treg

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Cornwall
I’ve seen a huge increase in bird numbers since we started growing veg here 3 years ago. We’re a mixed farm though with a range of habitats. The fact that we’re organic means there are more weeds amongst the veg than conventional and that seems to be feeding a lot of them at the moment.
I think the problem here is that whole farms are put in one crop, usually Broccoli but Potatoes/ daffodils are a problem as well, admittedly some of the growers have been putting in green cover crops the last few years which is certainly improving the soil.
 

delilah

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I graze a few orchards for the Wildlife Trust
There are tons and tons of lovely apples pears and plums dropping on the ground and rotting away.
I mentioned to the 'warden' that they could pick them and donate them to the food bank .....he just looked at jeans if I was stupid .
On Fri my OH went and picked a load and took them to folks in the village who are 'a bit less able'

Meanwhile .. millions of pounds are raised by these organisations with their rattle tins yet they let good produce go to waste .

Sorry but that's really clutching at straws.
Any money that folks give to The Wildlife Trust, they do so voluntarily. Unlike the BPS.
In what way is it The Wildlife Trusts fault that those orchards are uneconomic to be harvested ? If it's anyone's fault it is ours, through unquestioningly buying into the 'consolidation is king' mantra. There is no place for small orchards in a food system run by and for a cartel.
 

delilah

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Stop me when i'm wrong.

By common consent, the biggest environmental issue of our time is man-made climate change.
Yes ?
Man-made climate change is caused, primarily, through the burning of fossil fuels.
Yes ?
The food chain is the biggest single consumer of fossil fuels.
Yes ?
The biggest single way in which we can address man-made climate change, therefore, is to reduce the use of fossil fuels in the food chain.
Yes ?
The best way to reduce fossil fuel use in the food chain, is to shorten the chain.
Yes ?
Any environmental organisation concerned about man-made climate change should therefore be campaigning for a re-localization of our food systems. Which means supporting local farmers to boost productivity and get their produce to market in ways that maximize their returns.
Yes ?
 

steveR

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Mixed Farmer
I am pleased that Mr Sawbridge got the repayment, AFTER, the Minister got involved. However, in effect, the RPA were let off the hook... again.

Those with lesser means did not have the resources to fight the RPA, who just clam up and refuse to provide information.
 
Stop me when i'm wrong.

By common consent, the biggest environmental issue of our time is man-made climate change.
Yes ?
Man-made climate change is caused, primarily, through the burning of fossil fuels.
Yes ?
The food chain is the biggest single consumer of fossil fuels.
Yes ?
The biggest single way in which we can address man-made climate change, therefore, is to reduce the use of fossil fuels in the food chain.
Yes ?
The best way to reduce fossil fuel use in the food chain, is to shorten the chain.
Yes ?
Any environmental organisation concerned about man-made climate change should therefore be campaigning for a re-localization of our food systems. Which means supporting local farmers to boost productivity and get their produce to market in ways that maximize their returns.
Yes ?


Totally disagree.

There is no evidence that 1/10,000 increase in CO2 increase world temperatures.

FACT. Human made Cities are 3 degrees higher temperature than their surroundings.
FACT. Photosynthesis using an immense amount of the sun energy - which would otherwise heat the Earth.
FACT. Humans pump Billions of gallons of water out of the ground rather than use reservoirs - because it's cheap.
FACT. Human Cities are worse than Deserts. Water is literally taken off the land as fast as possible with little to no plant life.
FACT. Water Tables sustain plant based life.
FACT. Irrigation is used planetwide on Continental scales.
FACT. Desertification & Plains/Desert based agriculture has increased as human population has increased.

The opposite is happening as regards localisation as governments seek to throw out "Agricultural Emissions" to other countries - which just so happens to make the land Multinational corporations bought about 15 years ago in Africa profitable.

Climate Change is a corporate scam.
 
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