Jordan Peterson on agiculture…

Cowabunga said:

He does correct them and he also points out that women are just as prone, if not more so, to misogyny as men, often playing the victim with gender issues even when there is no issue. If there was a bias against the female gender, Liz Truss wouldn’t have stood a chance of being Prime Minister, yet here we are left with a PM that is completely and obviously a lightweight, completely out of her depth, voted into power by only Tory Party members who you might otherwise have thought would be as misogynistic a group of voters as could be.
Be that as it may, the original post is about agriculture and energy security policies, nothing to do with gender.

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primmiemoo said:

I watched the interview, and it wasn't very good, was it. She said that she wasn't proud of it. As a result of it, she was subjected to hate-filled trolling (with death threats) from the misogynistic end of Peterson's fan base to the point where she feared for her safety. All because she used a too-direct technique which was then clipped and shared by the misogynistic end of Peterson's fan base.

Peterson is aware that he has followers who "don't understand", yet he doesn't correct them. True, he made a tweet at the time asking them to "back off", but not much else. He continues to sell books that stereotype women as chaotic, and men as ordered, yet expects women to be agreeable and acquiescent ~ and blames women who don't conform to his ingrained, sexist, version of women for the troubles of (disordered) men. He really has not progressed within himself. He's stuck in a time warp.

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Cowabunga said:

Certainly nothing in that interview that dismisses science. What he does imply is that the energy crisis that is already upon us and that will soon manifest itself more harshly over this winter is man made and self inflicted through the neglect of priorities, such as energy security of supply, while governments are consumed by less urgent long term issues such as reducing the use of carbon fuel. In Germany’s case, the almost opposite in that they shut down not only their coal power stations but their nuclear ones as well, to appease the naive ‘green’ movement only to make themselves almost totally at the mercy of blackmail by a potential and actual hostile foreign power. This alone has resulted in a five fold increase in energy costs and probable blackouts where power and heat will just not be available for periods when needed most, which is unaffordable to both industry and the common man. This calamity is here and now and has the potential to literally kill many thousands of people in months and plunge millions into poverty and hardship within months, lasting for years.
There has and is a clear dereliction of governmental duty and priority by many national administrations leading to this point. Somewhat led by political pressure from various sectors which continue to ignore reality.

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Kiwi Pete said:

We have an out-of-her-depth female PM here, as well. Not a patch on Helen Clark or Jenny Shipley, but painted as a saint.

Would make an interesting comparison if we had a male PM father an illegitimate child while in office, compared to our female PM birthing a bàstard and the adoration that received from our vacuous, simpering media.

Then we would see through "the gender gap" more clearly. Perhaps. Takes both eyes to be open, and that's increasingly rare.

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Kiwi Pete said:

We have an out-of-her-depth female PM here, as well. Not a patch on Helen Clark or Jenny Shipley, but painted as a saint.

Would make an interesting comparison if we had a male PM father an illegitimate child while in office, compared to our female PM birthing a bàstard and the adoration that received from our vacuous, simpering media.

Then we would see through "the gender gap" more clearly. Perhaps. Takes both eyes to be open, and that's increasingly rare.

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Canada Farmer said:

Clarke was brilliant, he would have made a good PM.

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Kiwi Pete said:

He's probably best suited to impersonating a fleshlight

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M-J-G said:

I think you are maybe being a bit Newman in those conclusions, which in itself may be a predisposition

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oval said:

He has taken an interest in farming probably because he has seen the way it’s going to be manipulated through the lies of climate change etc and sees how far truly evil men like Bill Gates are prepared to go to get their way so he is doing his bit to fight back this video shows the level of stupidity that they think about to drive their agenda.

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Cowabunga said:

It certainly had something to do with the man and his wife, Asian or not, making too many blunders during his campaign, such as obviously never having filled his own car with petrol before or knowing how to use his contactless credit card either. If we had not seen this with our own eyes we would never have believed it in this day and age. Then there was his interviews when a student, his £1000+ shoes and suits, plus his wife’s taxation domicile while he was Chancellor of The Exchequer. None of which did him any favours as a potential election winner in anyone’s eyes. However, to endorse Truss as PM was absolute madness but I bet not even the most ardent of sceptics could have imagines the mess she would make of it within a few short days of gaining office.

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Kiwi Pete said:

Interestingly in the video of that interview, JP said that "women tend to be more orderly than men, and men a little bit more industrious than women, but that difference is small"

I think and truly believe that the universal human condition is negatively affected by believing in the myth "because", which Cathy Newman (and many others) use as their sole line of reasoning.

Whatever happens, it's "because"
..and that's no more real than the construct of "I am this way", or "reality is fixed".
It's just not recognised as problematic ...

Because? We can find evidence that backs up our stand that they aren't delusions.

Because? We want to be right, and we don't want to look bad?

Therefore in order to look good, the right thing to do is crowd the dimwit who failed to make a single point in a debate, and try to make that "right"

TL/DR:
Because JP spoke out against the utter stupidity of mandating covid vaccination(s) across his country, he can never be "right" ever again.
It's just because.

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Kiwi Pete said:

I'm not sure if I count as a sceptic or not, but there is a predictable trajectory of "out of the frying-pan...."

I can only think of one instance in our local political scene where we weren't better off with the devil we knew.

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SteveHants said:

Sorry, you think Liz Truss was voted for by Tory party members because of their misandry?


Nothing whatsoever to do with them preferring a white woman over an Asian man, then?

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M-J-G said:

I think Truss was voted in tactically to be a disposable PM like May was, Rishi wouldn't want the job, and neither would anyone else that had any sense.

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DaveGrohl said:

Let’s not p1ss about here. The choice was between 2 buckets of sick. Tories are in a mess and the country’s gonna pay because of it.

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DaveGrohl said:

Let’s not p1ss about here. The choice was between 2 buckets of sick. Tories are in a mess and the country’s gonna pay because of it.

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M-J-G said:

I think you are maybe being a bit Newman in those conclusions, which in itself may be a predisposition

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kiwi pom said:

David Attenborough pops up and does the rounds every time he has a new TV program coming, this is perhaps just the modern version?
He seems to have moved his teaching from expensive privileged universities to online lectures which perhaps makes them available to more people.
He always talks about the number of people who approach him at his shows and tell him how much he has helped them.
I suppose he could be making that up.
I'm not sure who he helps the most, if its young white men I have no problem with that, I'm not sure why it would just be that group though.
He pushes back and seems to have a lot of people who agree with him. What's wrong with that?

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primmiemoo said:

Ha ha! If only Newman had made good enough points about current events (gender pay gap, the #metoo situation, and much, much more), and had kept her cool, Peterson's outdated points of view about women would have been revealed. The interview didn't turn out that way, so the Peterson fan club gloated ~ and a portion of them felt entitled to use their hatred of women against Cathy Newman.

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