- Location
- nottingham
Foyle this week
AA 458
tesco AA 444+30
clean 440
native 444
AA 458
tesco AA 444+30
clean 440
native 444
The Beef Tracker thread (no Sheep)
- Thread starter jackrussell101
- Start date
sheepwise
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- Location
- SW Scotland
Going by quotes on here, Scotch premium must be near 20p again. We were on 455p last week hopefully a bit more this week.
What they on for cows 385?
Cows down another 5p ffs
Farmer 83563
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ABP even worse £3.85
Woolless
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- Location
- Berwickshire, Scottish Borders
In fairness, you would imagine that there's plenty cows coming forward at the moment.ABP even worse £3.85
Waiting lists at the moment , better off farm them round until the new year than let them have alot of cheap beef now. Once cows are fat they will hold the weight on . There will be an awful lot less calves born next year.
Farmer 83563
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Yes, for now but they are running the job to the ground
Farmer 83563
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Northeastfarmer
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- Location
- Cleveland
But more demand for mince at this time of the year
Prime stand on, and cows back another 5p
If it wasnt for the sheer amount of cows being culled the shite would of hit the fan by now. The facts are Beef is short, firms want/need to pay less, consumers moaning and farmers need more , somethings got to give. Cow meat is a short term fix.Looking back to the early pages of this thread and Pickstocks and probably the rest of them have only lifted their prices by 7 fecking pence, and then you read in the SF of Jim Brown saying beef producers are needing £5/kg to stand still and make a little profit
Firms cant get enough prime cattle so have upped the price a penny or two, the cattle arent about if they upped it 20p. They have a waiting list on cows so have dropped the price because they can rather than they needed too.
livestock 1
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I think that too. I also think that a lot will depend on if dairy beef will take the gap.
- Location
- Essex
The only thing that will change this, is the number of calves being born and the availability and price of imported beef. Of course when that becomes apparent it'll be too late.
The greed and stupidity of the buyers destroying the supply chain and therefore themselves is an interesting lesson in human behaviour. (If it comes to that)
The greed and stupidity of the buyers destroying the supply chain and therefore themselves is an interesting lesson in human behaviour. (If it comes to that)
- Location
- North of Perth
I guess it will depend on how many more dairy calves there will be? Pretty sure you will need 2 dairy calves to 1 of my suckler bred ones In some cases.to get the same volume of meat.
livestock 1
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This is what I really don’t get. The processor and retailer seem to think their supply will always be there regardless of how badly they treat us. Our margins are there to be seen. The changes in land use are also very apparent. National beef breeding herd keeps falling.
Why aren’t they showing concern about loosing they have invested?
- Location
- Northumberland
Re: Dairy beef making up the shortfall, it could well do, due to a number of factors
Let's say previously a dairy produced 40% Dairy heifers, 40% Dairy bulls (half of which culled), 10% Beef heifers, 10% beef bulls. That might now be 40, 5 (SS not 100%), 25, 30 (assume some using beef SS and to make the numbers tidier). So that's 15% fewer dairy bulls, 15% extra beef heifers & 20% extra beef bulls. When multiplied by the national dairy herd, it's a lot.
Yes, even these beef-sired animals won't have the same proportion of prime cut as from sucklers (is a big arse prime?) but that hardly matters in today's market where the mincer is king.
My unofficial retail price tracker of 2 Tesco sirloin steaks has gone to 2x £4.60, having previously been 2 for £8, 2x £3.60 and 2 for £7 over the last 12 months.
- Dairy bulls now finished as steers (heavier carcass) due to barley prices (this should produce a gap, but I think we're through it)
- Most dairy males now emerging with beef sires, therefore yielding more and taking shorter time to finish (compared with BW)
- More dairy males in total (not culled due to contract or value)
Let's say previously a dairy produced 40% Dairy heifers, 40% Dairy bulls (half of which culled), 10% Beef heifers, 10% beef bulls. That might now be 40, 5 (SS not 100%), 25, 30 (assume some using beef SS and to make the numbers tidier). So that's 15% fewer dairy bulls, 15% extra beef heifers & 20% extra beef bulls. When multiplied by the national dairy herd, it's a lot.
Yes, even these beef-sired animals won't have the same proportion of prime cut as from sucklers (is a big arse prime?) but that hardly matters in today's market where the mincer is king.
My unofficial retail price tracker of 2 Tesco sirloin steaks has gone to 2x £4.60, having previously been 2 for £8, 2x £3.60 and 2 for £7 over the last 12 months.
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livestock 1
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It might depend if beef bred spec is required as a premium then?