The Beef Tracker thread (no Sheep)

e3120 · Nov 1, 2022

livestock 1 said:
It might depend if beef bred spec is required as a premium then?

As it stands at the moment, the requirement to meet beef-bred premium, or more truthfully no dairy-bred penalty, is to be sired by a breed on the beef 'list'. It's only as good as the thoroughness/honesty of the passport requestor, and takes no account of the breed of the dam.

Personal experience is that 100% dairy bred is just as good on the eating quality scale.

aangus · Nov 1, 2022

e3120 said:
Re: Dairy beef making up the shortfall, it could well do, due to a number of factors

Dairy bulls now finished as steers (heavier carcass) due to barley prices (this should produce a gap, but I think we're through it)

Most dairy males now emerging with beef sires, therefore yielding more and taking shorter time to finish (compared with BW)

More dairy males in total (not culled due to contract or value)

Now it's hard to quantify how big the sum of these factors is but here's a go:

Let's say previously a dairy produced 40% Dairy heifers, 40% Dairy bulls (half of which culled), 10% Beef heifers, 10% beef bulls. That might now be 40, 5 (SS not 100%), 25, 30 (assume some using beef SS and to make the numbers tidier). So that's 15% fewer dairy bulls, 15% extra beef heifers & 20% extra beef bulls. When multiplied by the national dairy herd, it's a lot.

Yes, even these beef-sired animals won't have the same proportion of prime cut as from sucklers (is a big arse prime?) but that hardly matters in today's market where the mincer is king.

My unofficial retail price tracker of 2 Tesco sirloin steaks has gone to 2x £4.60, having previously been 2 for £8, 2x £3.60 and 2 for £7 over the last 12 months.

It’s still cheaper than eating out though

livestock 1 · Nov 1, 2022

e3120 said:
As it stands at the moment, the requirement to meet beef-bred premium, or more truthfully no dairy-bred penalty, is to be sired by a breed on the beef 'list'. It's only as good as the thoroughness/honesty of the passport requestor, and takes no account of the breed of the dam.

Personal experience is that 100% dairy bred is just as good on the eating quality scale.

I’m sure the Angus crew will be over the moon to hear this.
Contrary to your thoughts when beef trade drops dairy bred takes the biggest hit and there’s a bigger gap between them

e3120 · Nov 1, 2022

aangus said:
It’s still cheaper than eating out though

There would be some row if I was presented with one of those tesco sirloins when out. Terrible advert for beef!

e3120 · Nov 1, 2022

livestock 1 said:
I’m sure the Angus crew will be over the moon to hear this.
Contrary to your thoughts when beef trade drops dairy bred takes the biggest hit and there’s a bigger gap between them

I suppose that's the difference between live and dead. On the hook an R grade holstein x blue is no less valuable than a plain R grade lim.

Chae1 · Nov 1, 2022

aangus said:
Looking back to the early pages of this thread and Pickstocks and probably the rest of them have only lifted their prices by 7 fecking pence, and then you read in the SF of Jim Brown saying beef producers are needing £5/kg to stand still and make a little profit

@Henarar has been saying it needs to be @£5/kg for a while.

aangus · Nov 1, 2022

Chae1 said:
@Henarar has been saying it needs to be @£5/kg for a while.

I think we all know it needs to be there.

Chae1 · Nov 1, 2022

aangus said:
I think we all know it needs to be there.

How long have people been saying that though?

It doesn't "have" to be anything. We've just to take what we're given.

Farmers have been saying this since spring 2022. In which time many finishers have bought stores, fed them £300/t barley, grown grass/silage on £700/t fert, used £1.10/l diesel in doing so.

Guess what there back at the ringside for more! Why if it isn't £5/kg?

Party Pete · Nov 1, 2022

Chae1 said:
How long have people been saying that though?

It doesn't "have" to be anything. We've just to take what we're given.

Farmers have been saying this since spring 2022. In which time many finishers have bought stores, fed them £300/t barley, grown grass/silage on £700/t fert, used £1.10/l diesel in doing so.

Guess what there back at the ringside for more! Why if it isn't £5/kg?

Because £5 a kilo is always just round the corner and no one wants to miss the big pay day

aangus · Nov 1, 2022

Chae1 said:
How long have people been saying that though?

It doesn't "have" to be anything. We've just to take what we're given.

Farmers have been saying this since spring 2022. In which time many finishers have bought stores, fed them £300/t barley, grown grass/silage on £700/t fert, used £1.10/l diesel in doing so.

Guess what there back at the ringside for more! Why if it isn't £5/kg?

That’s farmers, ever the optimist.

Party Pete · Nov 1, 2022

aangus said:
That’s farmers, ever the optimist.

I started this spring thinking I would cut back the numbers a bit the way things were looking . I’ve now got 100 extra

Chae1 · Nov 1, 2022

Party Pete said:
I started this spring thinking I would cut back the numbers a bit the way things were looking . I’ve now got 100 extra

When they hit £5/kg though you'll be loaded!?

Party Pete · Nov 1, 2022

Chae1 said:
When they hit £5/kg though you'll be loaded!?

That’s what I keep telling myself . There’s nothing surer than if I did cut back it would be £6 a kilo and barley £150 a ton

Hilly · Nov 1, 2022

Chae1 said:
How long have people been saying that though?

It doesn't "have" to be anything. We've just to take what we're given.

Farmers have been saying this since spring 2022. In which time many finishers have bought stores, fed them £300/t barley, grown grass/silage on £700/t fert, used £1.10/l diesel in doing so.

Guess what there back at the ringside for more! Why if it isn't £5/kg?

Agree .

Martyn · Nov 1, 2022

Iv just brought these in today, they are booked to go 1 week in December, they have had no corn, iv started them on red clover bales, with it only being 5 weeks is it worth corning them?

Hilly · Nov 1, 2022

Party Pete said:
Because £5 a kilo is always just round the corner and no one wants to miss the big pay day

Their will never be a big pay day , if it goes to £10 the leaches will have the lot off farmers .

Party Pete · Nov 1, 2022

Hilly said:
Their will never be a big pay day , if it goes to £10 the leaches will have the lot off farmers .

We’re meant to be optimistic!

Hilly · Nov 1, 2022

Party Pete said:
We’re meant to be optimistic!

Im a realist not a fantasist , the beef job is controlled by pikey scum they will give us nothing but crumbs, fraud in beef all the to marts n dealers to super markets .

Party Pete · Nov 1, 2022

Hilly said:
Im a realist not a fantasist , the beef job is controlled by pikey scum they will give us nothing but crumbs, fraud in beef all the to marts n dealers to super markets .

Why do you do it then !?

Hilly · Nov 1, 2022

Party Pete said:
Why do you do it then !?

To make a living and i like living where i do etc etc but im under no illusions a living is best any beef farmer can expect .

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