Red Tractor start 2023 with another embarassment😂
- Thread starter Drillman
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Steevo
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- Location
- Gloucestershire
Because it's not RT's mistake.
Correct, it's not.
I think many on here feel that when we make a very minor error that's flagged up as a non-conformance, RT come down on the farmer like a tonne of bricks with a very heavy handed attitude which is out of proportion to the non-conformance. Furthermore, there are any number of over the top regs that are asked of farmers that are above the legal minimum and RT provide no additional value for this.
On the other side of the coin, a major error like this happens (which as stated above there should be an audited process in place to ensure it is checked 3x) and I think many on here feel that agreived that such an issue will likely be swept under the carpet.
Almost a sense of one rule for one, one rule for another.
BUT.....as pointed out....the RT and the retailers will sweep it under the carpet.....because it's not their mistake. And dare I say it that's exactly what the purpose of RT is for - to ensure that anything in the supply chain that is considered misplaced is attributed to those further back in the supply chain.
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
Physically, I guess you could. However, YOU would be the one facing the consequences from Trading Standards, not the fella you bought the stamp off.
and yet they pounce rapidly on a farmer with irrelevant pathetic paperwork non conformancesWhy can so few people understand Red Tractor don’t print the labels or pack the applesIts totally beyond their control.
Correct RT way to deal withthat would be to suspend that retailler fromselling,forthwith ,until the offending items are removed .at least under the trades descriptions act,
but no, farmers are a soft touch i guess, an easy soft touch target for them ,easy money with no recourse for giving anything/no benefit whats so ever for what they cost, only a big fat - .
As long as i blend 5% uk lamb into the mince blend then what is the difference compared to 29 tonnes of blended livestock feed??
Yes, let's pretend the RT logo is nothing to do with RT, and RT is nothing to do with the NFUBecause it's not RT's mistake.
and the best emoji to use for the whole sorry saga SilliamWhale
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They presumably need to take suspend the Co-op very publicly for a non conformance?
We don’t know that for sure.Because it's not RT's mistake.
what we do know is rt tracibility claims should ensure these mistakes (if it is one) don’t happen.
If it’s the packhouse that’s at fault rt should come down on them heavily on behalf of its paying members.
SilliamWhale
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I would politely suggest that you are wrong.
We are continually told of the traceability of this fabled scheme, we are enforced to comply to be able to trade and the scheme is deified by those who run it as the pinnacle of good practice and traceability.
If it is Red Tractors strength that they are able to put a sticker on some produce and magically make the consumer love their brand (no premium though), how come it is not a weakness when they put a sticker on something that is not traceable back to a British farm and patently wrongly applied?
I think you are trying to hunt with the hounds and run with the hare. I think its really important to shine a light on things to find out whats really going on.
Because they’ve not put the sticker on it. The people who packed it have put the sticker on…incorrectly. I’m sure if you asked RT if German apples could have their logo on them then they’d say no, or at least I bloody hope they would!
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
As the picture has come from the reliable source that is Facebook, can anyone confirm that is actually a recent photo (they have a habit of resurfacing years later, to feed a baying mob), and that it wasn't just a single pack, but a shelf full?
SilliamWhale
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Actually we wouldn't have this issue were it not for two fundamental things "Red Tractor label" and "Germany".
Remember on farm we cannot even have non assured grain and assured grain on the same holding, if I wanted to be able to trade grain non assured and assured I would actually have to have a different farm, holding number and shed to do it from. A contract farmer is not allowed to run his multiple holdings under one RT label yet a packhouse is allowed to chop and change at will.
Farmers didn't make the rules, Red Tractor did and because I think they are so spurious, disingenuous and controlling you can be damn sure people will want to put the boot in when they get it wrong too.
Currently we don’t know who applied the sticker to the packaging, but like others have said the assurance provider who a lot of us pay money into to be part of there scheme which is supposed to be based solely on British food needs to tell us what went wrong and who’s fault it is, as currently it looks like no one gives a sh!t
And the same assurance scheme keep boasting loudly that they have protocols in place and traceability so things like this shouldn’t happen.
SilliamWhale
Member
Ok fine. Can I get my farm worker to incorrectly load some non assured wheat from my neighbour instead of my own shed and then put a sticker on it and sell it? Maybe I don't know anything about it?
Simple question - If I spray painted your name & address everywhere around your local town & didn’t ask you if it was ok would you happily accept the blame? Its your name after all. Wouldn’t be mine, I was only the one who put it there.Yes, let's pretend the RT logo is nothing to do with RT, and RT is nothing to do with the NFU
- Location
- Montgomeryshire
You could indeed, but you would be accountable for the mistake, not RT.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Whichever, it doesn’t matter.
Both plus RT should be reported to Trading Standards at the very minimum!
Just for the factual record
Non Red tractor Assured Imported grains by the thousands nay millions of tonnes get blended into our feed mills but homegrown non RT assured grain cant be sold into those same mills ,daft sounding but absolutely true.
A point that cant be overstated and must be repeated at every opportunity until justice is done.