- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Care to share which government/HSE dreamt that up, because I’m fairly sure it had nothing to do with either.
HSE inspection
- Thread starter Gedd
- Start date
bravheart
Member
- Location
- scottish borders
Apologies you may be right it might have been that other clipboard wielding mob environmental health so ignore the above rant.
However if hse were on our side at all and looked at the dangers they should be banning belly clipping and getting environmental health to look again at the process.
Whoever it was farm workers are getting hurt and nobody with a clipboard cares!!!
Cattle Tagging/tracing is government policy.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
I don’t belly clip my cattle and send plenty to abattoir. I don’t believe it’s any official requirement. Tagging is a sensible requirement and it is not difficult to make arrangements to do it safely.
bravheart
Member
- Location
- scottish borders
Folk are still getting hurt sometimes seriously doing it then is that their own adrenaline rush idea of a bungee jump or something?
Maybe hse SHOULD ban it then.
Tagging/dehorning/castrating all have to be done and is safest when calf is still small and a requirement by 28 days. Mum is most protective then and no matter how sensible your arrangements are you still have to get the calf separated and caught. How can that be done without going into the pen please?
Bramble
Member
TB testing every 60 days could be considered dangerous and unnecessary. Increasing the frequency of testing hasn’t helped to stop the spread of the disease over the last 35 years so is there much point to it?
Perhaps APHA should provide fully trained cattle handlers to help with the test
Perhaps APHA should provide fully trained cattle handlers to help with the test
Don't try to deflect by saying I have the wrong attitude to safety.
How dare you.
I don't like non job apparatchiks so that means I have the wrong attitude to safety does it?
That is similar to the approach of police if you don't acquiesce in their acting beyond the limits of their authority that means you have something to hide
These apparachiks get away with walking over citizens rights due to the pandering attitude of people like you.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
HSE don’t ban very much at all, I’m afraid. We live in a country with a goal seeking legislative system, not a prescriptive one and I’m fairly sure that’s a good thing.
HSE do ban employers subjecting employees to excessive risk though, which is pretty much what you claim for belly clipping.
Not difficult to have quiet cattle though for tagging in situ, it just needs some effort. Or have a penning and handling system that allows safe separation.
Not that HSE have banned going into pens with cattle though - that was just the second hand reported specific (possibly uninformed or misunderstood) opinion of one inspector, based on one specific set of circumstances on one farm.
bravheart
Member
- Location
- scottish borders
I was origionally responding to #19 where it does say hse would prosecute if he went into the pen of cattle. I have put in place a number of single handed cattle handling systems some of which I have pictured of on here in different threads but I can think of no way that some of the requirements listed above can be carried out without being amongst the stock.
I'm of an age that the body doesn't bounce like it used to and trying to avoid contact wherever possible. I would seriously like to know if someone has developed the perfect handling solution that works 100% from across the fence. Be safer for all.
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Yes, agreed - and I was clarifying my understanding of the post. HSE is a corporate body and whilst they have inspectors with opinions, I would be very surprised if post #19 were the official HSE position.
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
Are they legally allowed to enter your premises without a reasonable suspicion of anything wrong….
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
I thought they were like the rspca
Good point. Back in the good old days, only the police could enter your premises. And they had to have a warrant.........
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
No, inspectors have warrant cards like the police do.
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Sorry, but I disagree with that. Until industry stops exploiting and killing workers then they need protection.
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
I don’t have any workers
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
You’re self employed?
Northeastfarmer
Member
- Location
- Cleveland
Partners
- Location
- Scottish Highlands
Then you are an employee and an employer, as are your partners.
And no doubt you use other workers on your premises at times.