Fixed Penalty Offer - Insecure Load

Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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dave78+

Member
Location
london
Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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No part of your load fell off the trailer so an insecure load had not been proven. It is the opinion of the cop/s against yours. The points are more of a bother than the £100 fine for nothing.
 

Lincs Lass

Member
Location
north lincs
Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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If your cop force think thats dangerous ,they should take a trip south ,,three different tractor outfits running flat out through the village with no sheets ,,the digester mob ,local farm mucking out the duck sheds and another lot hauling hardcore from the quarry , stuff flying everywhere and not a copper to be seen
 

renewablejohn

Member
Location
lancs
No part of your load fell off the trailer so an insecure load had not been proven. It is the opinion of the cop/s against yours. The points are more of a bother than the £100 fine for nothing.
You cannot say no part of the load fell off as they may have been following with video evidence showing logs falling off. They certainly would have evidence of the wrong plates if you started to argue the toss.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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Ignore it
They will never take you to court.
If they do, the judge will throw it out
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
I think the law states that anything above the height of the trailer sides must be secured.


That said, I'm disappointed by the enforcement approach taken by the police. I think a polite caution/warning would have been more appropriate and more likely to encourage future compliance.

An opportunity for learning by bringing the person in question on side is always more likely encourage a change in future behaviour.
A judgement/punishment aimed at teaching through fear will more likely breed resentment and thus less likely to change future behaviour.


Sadly, the police prefer to throw their weight and power around and therefore almost always choose the second option.
 

farmerm

Member
Location
Shropshire
Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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5 months! Someone must have a need to get their statistics up and has gone back though the log book :oops: It looks like there is a 6 month window to notify which I think is pretty ridiculous, IMO such things should be dealt with within 14 days max. If they intended to issue a penalty why not do it on the spot? 🤷‍♂️
 

dave78+

Member
Location
london
5 months! Someone must have a need to get their statistics up and has gone back though the log book :oops: It looks like there is a 6 month window to notify which I think is pretty ridiculous, IMO such things should be dealt with within 14 days max. If they intended to issue a penalty why not do it on the spot? 🤷‍♂️
Reply to the Procurator with a polite no thanks written in Welsh.
 

Bury the Trash

Member
Mixed Farmer
Evening all

Stopped in January by police while I had my brothers trailer and a load of logs taking from the farm to home, approx 3 miles. I was stopped for insecure load. All the checks they did on insurance, trailer roadworthiness were good other than number plates not matching. I was polite with them and to be fair, they were fine. After a discussion they advised I couldn't continue without securing the load. My wife came with a thin type tarpaulin and 2 x ratchet straps to secure it which really was a half-arsed attempt at securing but they were happy as I had only 1 mile to go. Wish I had taken a picture of the tarp on!

Thought there was a good chance I wouldn't hear anything further. Anyway, today received "Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty" in the post from the Procurator Fiscal. I have been reported for an "alleged contravention of the Road Traffic Act 1988 Section 40A(d) on 29 January 2023 at XXXXX location you did use a motor vehicle when the weight, position or distribution of its load, or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there."

No mention of overloading trailer or the X3 not being rated to tow the load at the time. No mention of plates not matching either. So it's the insecure load the charge is for.

Now, I'm not denying the load wasn't covered and have learnt a lesson there but the bit that I don't think is true in the statement above is "or the manner in which said load was secured, was likely to cause danger of injury to any person there". Myself and my lad took a bit of time levelling the load and in my opinion I didn't think any logs would fall off under normal circumstances, trailer is well sprung etc. Certainly wasn't flying on either.

So fixed penalty of £100 and 3 points offered (if it was just the fine, I would have paid it before now but the points annoy me as have had a clean licence for 15+ years having only ever had 2 x 3 points for minor speeding many years ago).

Do I just pay up or worth a challenge? Anyone bothered fighting their case for something like this before...... is it worth it?

Cheers

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That is a very tidy load nothing wring with it at all.
 
You cannot say no part of the load fell off as they may have been following with video evidence showing logs falling off. They certainly would have evidence of the wrong plates if you started to argue the toss.
Certainly weren’t any that fell off. The wrong plates are not even noted in the charge so it is only the load not being secured. I don’t think they could bring the plates in to it if I were to challenge.

Have used a net since and swap number plate to correct one as well.
 
5 months! Someone must have a need to get their statistics up and has gone back though the log book :oops: It looks like there is a 6 month window to notify which I think is pretty ridiculous, IMO such things should be dealt with within 14 days max. If they intended to issue a penalty why not do it on the spot? 🤷‍♂️
Yes 6 months window. They did say it would go to the procurator fiscal and they would decide if it would be followed up.
 
Grab ye bagpipes and march into battle!
I like your thinking!

The young PC was ok but a bit green. He asked if the ramps were secured properly or if they could fall out? I explained that they were held in and the lynch pin stopped the handle lifting and coming out. Was just waiting for him to try it for himself and nip his finger……..alas, he was more focused on typing on his tablet thing😀
 

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