AB15 2 year legume

SamB

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
East Sussex
Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done
 

B'o'B

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
for vetch harvest in August when it has lodged it is best to use a shelbourne stripper header to lift it off the floor where as red clover doesn't always lodge and a conventional header works..
what you will not get to see is photos of trailer loads of my seed on a TFF thread as i am a BSPB member and the 21 varieties pay royalties for cereals etc where as vetch and clover royalties are due to the original plant breeders.. i don't want to break any rules there..
🤣🤣🤣…but you are happy to write about it!!?😂😂😂You are a real card @Huno

As it happens one of the things I am keen to try is feeding the clover to livestock as it is supposed to go through their gut and still be viable. Feed or seed?
 
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Huno

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Arable Farmer
🤣🤣🤣…but you are happy to write about it!!?😂😂😂You are a real card @Huno

As it happens one of the things I am keen to try is feeding to the clover livestock as it is supposed to go through their gut and still be viable. Feed or seed?
🤣🤣 the cat is out of the bag now!! I do wonder if feeding it might be the best plan there as it remains within the rules after 15th august in yr 2!
very sensible plan @B'o'B 🤗
 

Huno

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Arable Farmer
Unsuprisingly this thread has turned to tumbleweed and as all the people posting come from Belarus it is clearly just academic and none of us know anything about the UK AB15 thing in reality... nostrovia fellow comrades of the RPA
 

nick...

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Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
anyone topped their vetch in flower this week and murdered millions of bees???
Lots of mine coming into flower but only drilled mid April.wont top it till everything has flowered and gone to seed.seems criminal to destroy the flowers and bees.regs say to cut twice in first year but I’m assuming that’s if drilled previous autumn.have topped some late drilled stuff only 6 inches tall but that was to cut black grass and thistles.
nick...
 

Flat 10

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Arable Farmer
Location
Fen Edge
Lots of mine coming into flower but only drilled mid April.wont top it till everything has flowered and gone to seed.seems criminal to destroy the flowers and bees.regs say to cut twice in first year but I’m assuming that’s if drilled previous autumn.have topped some late drilled stuff only 6 inches tall but that was to cut black grass and thistles.
nick...
So how come you didn’t drill in the autumn?
 

Hfd Cattle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done
A late answer but what we did was mow it off and bale and wrap it . The dry cows went mad for it . We also sold some to a neighbouring farmer for £25 an acre and he made 'hay 'of his, once again his cows loved it. We were lucky that on the 15th of August the weather was favourable to do it . As soon as bales were cleared and it started to green up we sprayed it off .
What was quite amazing was all the fields were drilled with the same seed on the same day but each field came up with a different 'mix' of plants.
 

nick...

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
So then you drill this autumn? That’s what’s supposed to happen anyway as I understand it. All stewardship starts first Jan oddly. You going to leave in an extra 6months then?
Says in regs to drill spring,summer or autumn.will probably get redrilled midway or autum 25 and then run till 5 years when agreement ends.looking back I think maybe I should have left till autumn to drill but just went with regs and had no one to discuss this with.im sure it will all be fine.early drilled stuff looks great at the moment and later drilled stuff willl soon catch up.all a big learning process.
nick...
 

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
Says in regs to drill spring,summer or autumn.will probably get redrilled midway or autum 25 and then run till 5 years when agreement ends.looking back I think maybe I should have left till autumn to drill but just went with regs and had no one to discuss this with.im sure it will all be fine.early drilled stuff looks great at the moment and later drilled stuff willl soon catch up.all a big learning process.
nick...
just don't tell anyone you did that and it will be fine🤔🤐🤣
 

Huno

Member
Arable Farmer
Says in regs to drill spring,summer or autumn.will probably get redrilled midway or autum 25 and then run till 5 years when agreement ends.looking back I think maybe I should have left till autumn to drill but just went with regs and had no one to discuss this with.im sure it will all be fine.early drilled stuff looks great at the moment and later drilled stuff willl soon catch up.all a big learning process.
nick...
what was you SBI and CPH number again?😊
 

Hindsight

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Says in regs to drill spring,summer or autumn.will probably get redrilled midway or autum 25 and then run till 5 years when agreement ends.looking back I think maybe I should have left till autumn to drill but just went with regs and had no one to discuss this with.im sure it will all be fine.early drilled stuff looks great at the moment and later drilled stuff willl soon catch up.all a big learning process.
nick...
Hi, what you have done is not wrong. But you have foregone the opportunity of a cash crop summer 2023 prior to establishing AB15 in Autumn 2024, prior to mid September, as your CSAgreement started Jan 2023. You will in effect have three summers of AB15 in that field, rather than the two Summers that was all that was required to comply with the scheme. Does mean you could possibly / probably do as you please at the moment as scheme doesn’t require establishment until September. Take a hay silage crop?
 

Silver Jubilee

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Somerset
Have 6 weeks from when you can destroy in 2nd year to hopefully drilling wheat - last year presumably like toast & you could bale up for bedding.
In a wet year topping off a 2ft high mass could leave a thick mat & long stubble under the tyre tracks.
What have people done
Does anyone have any good tips please on the best way to destroy AB15 Legume mix prior to planting winter wheat? Possibly looking to shallow cultivate/rake before direct drilling with Weaving GD
Any advice on chemicals and rates would be appreciated
Thanks
 

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