The war in Ukraine...

Danllan · Aug 18, 2023

Charlie Gill said:
Video from the Russian side here, pilot got out but not the navigator. I never knew you could eject from a chopper - every day is a school day.

GREY ZONE

Кадры непосредственно задействования катапультно-амортизационной системы (КАС К-37-800М) командиром ударного вертолёта Ка-52 ВКС России, который вчера был сбит при помощи шведского ПЗРК RBS-70 противником из 47-й отдельной механизированно бригады ВС Украины к северо-востоку от населённого пункта...

t.me

Yep, I think the KA is the only series of choppers that does; pretty good tech, but there have been a few incidents when the blades didn't detach properly...

farmerm · Aug 18, 2023

Danllan said:
Yep, I think the KA is the only series of choppers that does; pretty good tech, but there have been a few incidents when the blades didn't detach properly...

I am curious if the pilot chose to eject or they just got ejected? They don't seem to be flying in a way that would suggest they knew they had been locked on and might have been pre-empting having to eject. Can you go though the transition in thought process from concentrating on flying to oh crap we are hit, nope this cant be saved, eject in the time that happened there?

Charlie Gill · Aug 18, 2023

Danllan said:
Yep, I think the KA is the only series of choppers that does; pretty good tech, but there have been a few incidents when the blades didn't detach properly...

Imagine knowing that, that would be a mind fk.

Charlie Gill · Aug 18, 2023

farmerm said:
I am curious if the pilot chose to eject or they just got ejected? They don't seem to be flying in a way that would suggest they knew they had been locked on and might have been pre-empting having to eject. Can you go though the transition in thought process from concentrating on flying to oh crap we are hit, nope this cant be saved, eject in the time that happened there?

Looks to happen simultaneously.

Danllan · Aug 18, 2023

farmerm said:
I am curious if the pilot chose to eject or they just got ejected? They don't seem to be flying in a way that would suggest they knew they had been locked on and might have been pre-empting having to eject. Can you go though the transition in thought process from concentrating on flying to oh crap we are hit, nope this cant be saved, eject in the time that happened there?

I don't know enough about these sort of things to comment beyond the basics; in fact, on this subject, I don't know if our fighter planes automatically eject or if it always has to be a conscious decision of the pilot...

Swarfmonkey · Aug 18, 2023

Danllan said:
Some in the German media - at least in a DW interview - attribute this to both or either of the facts that the German economy, with demographic decline, simply won't be able to sustain the 2% level and pay its pension / health bill, or that it is simply afraid of 'further provoking' Russia... ffs...

The latter. German industry buys an awful lot of certain metals (Nickel, Copper, Chromium) from Russia. If the Russians close that supply down then much of German industry is a fvcked in a month.

Danllan · Aug 18, 2023

Swarfmonkey said:
The latter. German industry buys an awful lot of certain metals (Nickel, Copper, Chromium) from Russia. If the Russians close that supply down then much of German industry is a fvcked in a month.

Yep, that is my thinking; Russia has entirely subsidised German industry for decades, via energy and other inputs...

Charlie Gill · Aug 18, 2023

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1692551105165541733

renewablejohn · Aug 18, 2023

Charlie Gill said:
Video from the Russian side here, pilot got out but not the navigator. I never knew you could eject from a chopper - every day is a school day.

GREY ZONE

Кадры непосредственно задействования катапультно-амортизационной системы (КАС К-37-800М) командиром ударного вертолёта Ка-52 ВКС России, который вчера был сбит при помощи шведского ПЗРК RBS-70 противником из 47-й отдельной механизированно бригады ВС Украины к северо-востоку от населённого пункта...

t.me

Did not really matter whether the pilot got out or not as they still reckon that he died anyway.

BrianV · Aug 18, 2023

Bit of a joke really.

Ukrainian F-16 Combat Proficiency At Scale Not Likely Before 2027, Air Force General Says

Training demands mean Ukraine won’t get F-16s until next year at the earliest and substantial combat proficiency will take much longer.
BYHOWARD ALTMAN| PUBLISHED AUG 18, 2023 5:17 PM EDT

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Mr Mackay · Aug 18, 2023

BrianV said:
Bit of a joke really.

Ukrainian F-16 Combat Proficiency At Scale Not Likely Before 2027, Air Force General Says
Training demands mean Ukraine won’t get F-16s until next year at the earliest and substantial combat proficiency will take much longer.
BYHOWARD ALTMAN| PUBLISHED AUG 18, 2023 5:17 PM EDT

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You're the one laughing

caveman · Aug 18, 2023

Millions of Ukrainian refugees heading west before too long.
Those here already not going back.

Thing is...
Do I make a bacon sarnie at this time of night?

BrianV · Aug 19, 2023

Cold reality.

Ukraine war: Zelenskyy still resolute - but West wobbles as spring counteroffensive stalls | Sean Bell

Ukraine's leader still dreams of regaining all lost territory - but, more than two months in, the hoped-for gains have not yet materialised and western leaders are starting to get itchy as the pressure of fighting a long war begins to bite.

Sean Bell
Military analyst
Saturday 19 August 2023 04:20, UK

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Ukraine facing nightmare peace deal scenarios as US officials say counteroffensive against Russia has failed

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Muck Spreader · Aug 19, 2023

Danllan said:
Yep, that is my thinking; Russia has entirely subsidised German industry for decades, via energy and other inputs...

Probably like dodgy Russian money has subsidised the UK economy for decades. They say that more than half of Russia's entire monitory wealth is managed/laundered through the city of London. But no government would ever do anything serious to damage that business beyond a few token gestures.

Danllan · Aug 19, 2023

Muck Spreader said:
Probably like dodgy Russian money has subsidised the UK economy for decades. They say that more than half of Russia's entire monitory wealth is managed/laundered through the city of London. But no government would ever do anything serious to damage that business beyond a few token gestures.

Not comparable, but I guess you offer a reflex retort with that because Germany is an EU partner.

No doubting at all the Russian cash was splashed in London but, fortunately, it wasn't to anything like the same cumulative extent, or with the same insidious effect as in Germany. It self-evidently didn't have the same effect on UK policy, as proven regarding Ukraine, and elsewhere.

Germany as a country has been subsidised by Russia to the tune of trillions, the attempt to influence policy in the UK was to the tune of, doing a quick check on Transparency International, all in at about £1.5bn - and that is including their governmental money plus oligarch 'investment'.

I haven't added in such oligarchical money to the estimate for Germany because, when it gets to the trillions over the decades, even adding a billion here or there seems, well, irrelevant...

renewablejohn · Aug 19, 2023

BrianV said:
Cold reality.

Ukraine war: Zelenskyy still resolute - but West wobbles as spring counteroffensive stalls | Sean Bell
Ukraine's leader still dreams of regaining all lost territory - but, more than two months in, the hoped-for gains have not yet materialised and western leaders are starting to get itchy as the pressure of fighting a long war begins to bite.

Sean Bell
Military analyst
Saturday 19 August 2023 04:20, UK

ukraine-war-zelenskyy-still-resolute-but-west-wobbles-as-spring-counteroffensive-stalls-12942458

Ukraine facing nightmare peace deal scenarios as US officials say counteroffensive against Russia has failed
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You really are clueless as to what is going on in Ukraine. Instead you just post Russian propaganda from sources which have been nowhere near the front lines and are actually clueless as to what is actually happening. If you did have a clue then you would see the propaganda for what it is and not post it. The facts are relatively easy to find if you care to look but that does not fit in with your agenda. The fact Ukraine breached the first line of defences over a month ago is beyond your comprehension. Maybe a bit of history is required for comparison. ie the German defended positions in WW2 on the D Day landings. Was it a romp to Germany no it was a 3 month grind before the allied forces where able to break out and take territory. For Ukraine to now be doing this after only 7 weeks is quite remarkable.

BrianV · Aug 19, 2023

renewablejohn said:
You really are clueless as to what is going on in Ukraine. Instead you just post Russian propaganda from sources which have been nowhere near the front lines and are actually clueless as to what is actually happening. If you did have a clue then you would see the propaganda for what it is and not post it. The facts are relatively easy to find if you care to look but that does not fit in with your agenda. The fact Ukraine breached the first line of defences over a month ago is beyond your comprehension. Maybe a bit of history is required for comparison. ie the German defended positions in WW2 on the D Day landings. Was it a romp to Germany no it was a 3 month grind before the allied forces where able to break out and take territory. For Ukraine to now be doing this after only 7 weeks is quite remarkable.

Interesting that you consider US & UK media outlets as Russian propaganda, I fear it is you that is totally clueless & living in your own fairy tale world occupied by many others, Russia is not some tin pot country like Afghanistan & while Western weapons can help kill an awful lot of Russians history should have taught you that they will soak it up & carry on killing Ukrainians whatever the cost to Russia.
The West are now in the cleft stick that unless Ukraine change course & seriously negotiate then the West have no alternative than to keep pumping more & more weapons into Ukraine regardless of Ukrainian losses, there is no alternative now.

renewablejohn · Aug 19, 2023

BrianV said:
Interesting that you consider US & UK media outlets as Russian propaganda, I fear it is you that is totally clueless & living in your own fairy tale world occupied by many others, Russia is not some tin pot country like Afghanistan & while Western weapons can help kill an awful lot of Russians history should have taught you that they will soak it up & carry on killing Ukrainians whatever the cost to Russia.
The West are now in the cleft stick that unless Ukraine change course & seriously negotiate then the West have no alternative than to keep pumping more & more weapons into Ukraine regardless of Ukrainian losses, there is no alternative now.

Oh Brian I seem to have hit a nerve. Of course Russia is a tin pot country the Ukranians have already proved this with the "3 day war" and it will be all over. If you want a clue as to how tin pot Russia really is just look at the age of Russian equipment losses there now getting on the front lines with tanks being pulled out the nettles going back to the 1950's and artillery back to WW2. It really is a joke.

BrianV · Aug 19, 2023

renewablejohn said:
Oh Brian I seem to have hit a nerve. Of course Russia is a tin pot country the Ukranians have already proved this with the "3 day war" and it will be all over. If you want a clue as to how tin pot Russia really is just look at the age of Russian equipment losses there now getting on the front lines with tanks being pulled out the nettles going back to the 1950's and artillery back to WW2. It really is a joke.

And yet for 20 years America had to rely on Russian rockets to get Americans to the space station, surprising for a tin pot country.

farmerm · Aug 19, 2023

BrianV said:
Interesting that you consider US & UK media outlets as Russian propaganda, I fear it is you that is totally clueless & living in your own fairy tale world occupied by many others, Russia is not some tin pot country like Afghanistan & while Western weapons can help kill an awful lot of Russians history should have taught you that they will soak it up & carry on killing Ukrainians whatever the cost to Russia.
The West are now in the cleft stick that unless Ukraine change course & seriously negotiate then the West have no alternative than to keep pumping more & more weapons into Ukraine regardless of Ukrainian losses, there is no alternative now.

You think Putin wants meaningful negotiations that would result in long term peace? Any agreement that falls short of allowing the remaining Ukraine to join NATO would be nothing but an opportunity for Russia to consolidate and rearm. Like you say Putin is happy to send unlimited numbers of Russians to their death for his vanity project. Putin will not readily accept any deal that leaves an independent, Western looking, NATO protected Ukraine. Any deal that forever closes the door on any prospect of Russia ever taking control of Kyiv and the Black Sea coastline. It’s a really sh!t position but Ukraine really does only have 2 choices, submit to Russia or expel Russia. If Ukraine submits to Putins demands, thousands would be imprisoned and tortured, millions more would flee to Europe and those that remain would face being conscripted as cannon fodder into Putins next front line. Most Ukrainians are very clear, the would rather fight and die as Ukrainians than live and die as Russians. I fear this war will only end when the Russian public finally see sense, when the realise it is Russia that are the aggressors, when Russians grasp the vast lost of human and economic resources are in vein. The faster Ukraine can degrade, destroy and push back Russian forces the sooner the turning point will be reached.

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Ukraine facing nightmare peace deal scenarios as US officials say counteroffensive against Russia has failed

Ukraine war: Zelenskyy still resolute - but West wobbles as spring counteroffensive stalls | Sean Bell

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