1948 Blackie

Moors Lad

Moors Lad

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N Yorks
Top Tip. said:
That £100k tup will be getting semen drawn and embryos transplanted into Suffolk x mules . That’s how they multiply these genetics now.
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So you could buy a BIG fine tup lamb out of a marvellous looking Blackie ewe that in reality may be a totally CRAP milker ( or a very poor mother..). Ah, the joys of A I in a hill breed..:mad:
pat kcotnit said:
There is one breeder, married to an snp Scottish government cabinet minister, who got almost £30000 for one shearling.
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Not long ago there seemed to be a fair bit on the TV about the SNP and finances, I seem to remember , so I`m absolutely certain everything will be above board and straight forward.... They may spend the cash on something to enjoy... like a motor-home for example:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: ( sorry, only joking!)
Macsky said:
Saw a Cheviot ran up on only one bidder this year, his last bid was £900 but the tup was knocked down to him at £1k, auctioneer obviously knew the bidder and the sheep in front of him and took his chance, guy was slightly confused but wasn’t complaining. If it was me I’d be annoyed, unless I was selling the tup 😆
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I once had a tup knocked down to me for £500 when my last bid was £300 , only young then so took it on the chin. The next time it happened I was a bit older and despite being a long way from the auctioneer in a very busy auction ring I stood my ground so he had to have another go...! Either the auctioneer takes bids or his "sidekick" , on this occasion they both took them! ( Grrrrrr!)
 
Ysgythan

Ysgythan

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Ammanford
AI and ET won’t turn the breed to sh!t in one generation. Like everything it’s down to selection. Get that wrong and the impact will only be gradual for a long time, before it snowballs. Ironically AI and ET will then be used to correct course by the very same people. This will only be possible in a breed as big and varied as the Blackies though. Just think of the technology as the modern iteration of kind wintering, or the feed bucket. The prophets of doom warned against those innovations, and were simultaneously proven right (they did change the sheep) and wrong (the breed still exists)

I definitely have a different view to bidding that my dad has. If he spots he’s being run (which he has an uncanny knack of) he’ll stop as a matter of principle even if it’s a tup we’ve picked and we end up losing him. Whereas I’ll forgive a bit of nonsense if it’s at the start, and I’m well within budget.
 
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egbert

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Sorry, but I'll have to go off topic for a minute , and repeat my favourite 'being run' story ever.

Long ago, i used to trade a few tups, and would pitch up at (in this instance) the huge NSA Builth sale with a shopping list.
This inevitably meant staying ringside for long hours.
Stood there, trying to fill orders within budget, you become accustomed to picking up on each of the rotating auctioneers' manners.
Some are easy to listen to, and work with - they know what you're about, you know what they've got to do, and respect is mutual.
Others, occasionally, are just tw4ts, who think everyone else fell off the hay cart yesterday.
One such took over the cheviot ring part way through the day, and just blatantly ran almost every sheep.
This wasn't taking them up to a reserve, this was seeing how far he could push stupid farmers.
There was hardly a soul stood round the ring who couldn't see it, with much muttering and shaking of heads... but he just carried on, bullsh1tting his way through when he got caught out.
There was a grizzled old fella sat at the front - who was clearly there to pick up a tup, but evidently had a modest budget. A sheep comes in the ring, and he started to bid clearly and decisively for a few rounds, with matey pushing him along before what seemed to be a following wind.
3-4 bids in, the old chap abruptly shook his head and folded his arms, leaving the Rsole on the rostrum casting about for someone to pick up his mistake. We could all see what was going on, as he kept coming back to the old bloke down the front, desperately trying to get him to 'go again one more time....'
But our old chum wasn't going to budge for anything .....he was taking a quiet bit of revenge.
After an excruciatingly long void, the auctioneer had to knock the tup down to 'the chap in the hat', pointing vaguely to the back of the crowd.
Several of us were starting to laugh by now, and even then he wouldn't fess up, and tried to direct his poor assistant to the spot in the crowd where this fictitious hatted gent had been.
He couldn't have made himself look any more stupid, and 35 years later, it still gives me a warm glow to think how that old Welshman bested him.
 
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Top Tip.

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Location
highland
egbert said:
Sorry, but I'll have to go off topic for a minute , and repeat my favourite 'being run' story ever.

Long ago, i used to trade a few tups, and would pitch up at (in this instance) the huge NSA Builth sale with a shopping list.
This inevitably meant staying ringside for long hours.
Stood there, trying to fill orders within budget, you become accustomed to picking up on each of the rotating auctioneers' manners.
Some are easy to listen to, and work with - they know what you're about, you know what they've got to do, and respect is mutual.
Others, occasionally, are just tw4ts, who think everyone else fell off the hay cart yesterday.
One such took over the cheviot ring part way through the day, and just blatantly ran almost every sheep.
This wasn't taking them up to a reserve, this was seeing how far he could push stupid farmers.
There was hardly a soul stood round the ring who couldn't see it, with much muttering and shaking of heads... but he just carried on, bullsh1tting his way through when he got caught out.
There was a grizzled old fella sat at the front - who was clearly there to pick up a tup, but evidently had a modest budget. A sheep comes in the ring, and he started to bid clearly and decisively for a few rounds, with matey pushing him along before what seemed to be a following wind.
3-4 bids in, the old chap abruptly shook his head and folded his arms, leaving the Rsole on the rostrum casting about for someone to pick up his mistake. We could all see what was going on, as he kept coming back to the old bloke down the front, desperately trying to get him to 'go again one more time....'
But our old chum wasn't going to budge for anything .....he was taking a quiet bit of revenge.
After an excruciatingly long void, the auctioneer had to knock the tup down to 'the chap in the hat', pointing vaguely to the back of the crowd.
Several of us were starting to laugh by now, and even then he wouldn't fess up, and tried to direct his poor assistant to the spot in the crowd where this fictitious hatted gent had been.
He couldn't have made himself look any more stupid, and 35 years later, it still gives me a warm glow to think how that old Welshman bested him.
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Any auctioneer worth his salt will be pushing the boundaries all the time,he’s working for the seller after all . I’m pretty regularly in the mart and it would be a rare day I don’t see an auctioneer nicked with one. They are not stupid though and will usually have a home or will find a home for it.
 
Ysgythan

Ysgythan

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Ammanford
egbert said:
Sorry, but I'll have to go off topic for a minute , and repeat my favourite 'being run' story ever.

Long ago, i used to trade a few tups, and would pitch up at (in this instance) the huge NSA Builth sale with a shopping list.
This inevitably meant staying ringside for long hours.
Stood there, trying to fill orders within budget, you become accustomed to picking up on each of the rotating auctioneers' manners.
Some are easy to listen to, and work with - they know what you're about, you know what they've got to do, and respect is mutual.
Others, occasionally, are just tw4ts, who think everyone else fell off the hay cart yesterday.
One such took over the cheviot ring part way through the day, and just blatantly ran almost every sheep.
This wasn't taking them up to a reserve, this was seeing how far he could push stupid farmers.
There was hardly a soul stood round the ring who couldn't see it, with much muttering and shaking of heads... but he just carried on, bullsh1tting his way through when he got caught out.
There was a grizzled old fella sat at the front - who was clearly there to pick up a tup, but evidently had a modest budget. A sheep comes in the ring, and he started to bid clearly and decisively for a few rounds, with matey pushing him along before what seemed to be a following wind.
3-4 bids in, the old chap abruptly shook his head and folded his arms, leaving the Rsole on the rostrum casting about for someone to pick up his mistake. We could all see what was going on, as he kept coming back to the old bloke down the front, desperately trying to get him to 'go again one more time....'
But our old chum wasn't going to budge for anything .....he was taking a quiet bit of revenge.
After an excruciatingly long void, the auctioneer had to knock the tup down to 'the chap in the hat', pointing vaguely to the back of the crowd.
Several of us were starting to laugh by now, and even then he wouldn't fess up, and tried to direct his poor assistant to the spot in the crowd where this fictitious hatted gent had been.
He couldn't have made himself look any more stupid, and 35 years later, it still gives me a warm glow to think how that old Welshman bested him.
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Aye, the very best auctioneers know their audience, but are robustly for the seller. Getting caught like that does the sellers no favours.
 
Tubbylew

Tubbylew

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Herefordshire
egbert said:
Sorry, but I'll have to go off topic for a minute , and repeat my favourite 'being run' story ever.

Long ago, i used to trade a few tups, and would pitch up at (in this instance) the huge NSA Builth sale with a shopping list.
This inevitably meant staying ringside for long hours.
Stood there, trying to fill orders within budget, you become accustomed to picking up on each of the rotating auctioneers' manners.
Some are easy to listen to, and work with - they know what you're about, you know what they've got to do, and respect is mutual.
Others, occasionally, are just tw4ts, who think everyone else fell off the hay cart yesterday.
One such took over the cheviot ring part way through the day, and just blatantly ran almost every sheep.
This wasn't taking them up to a reserve, this was seeing how far he could push stupid farmers.
There was hardly a soul stood round the ring who couldn't see it, with much muttering and shaking of heads... but he just carried on, bullsh1tting his way through when he got caught out.
There was a grizzled old fella sat at the front - who was clearly there to pick up a tup, but evidently had a modest budget. A sheep comes in the ring, and he started to bid clearly and decisively for a few rounds, with matey pushing him along before what seemed to be a following wind.
3-4 bids in, the old chap abruptly shook his head and folded his arms, leaving the Rsole on the rostrum casting about for someone to pick up his mistake. We could all see what was going on, as he kept coming back to the old bloke down the front, desperately trying to get him to 'go again one more time....'
But our old chum wasn't going to budge for anything .....he was taking a quiet bit of revenge.
After an excruciatingly long void, the auctioneer had to knock the tup down to 'the chap in the hat', pointing vaguely to the back of the crowd.
Several of us were starting to laugh by now, and even then he wouldn't fess up, and tried to direct his poor assistant to the spot in the crowd where this fictitious hatted gent had been.
He couldn't have made himself look any more stupid, and 35 years later, it still gives me a warm glow to think how that old Welshman bested him.
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There's a saying I heard the other day that a local publican used to say. "If you want to meet an idiot in the countryside, you'd better bring one with you ! "
 
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egbert

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Livestock Farmer
Top Tip. said:
Any auctioneer worth his salt will be pushing the boundaries all the time,he’s working for the seller after all . I’m pretty regularly in the mart and it would be a rare day I don’t see an auctioneer nicked with one. They are not stupid though and will usually have a home or will find a home for it.
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True, but the variance is vast.
One here (now retired) was famous for it, quite blatant, and would simply-shamelessly- fess up if he was landed without a bid.
I don't know that I found it that tiresome, because he was ...well...straight about it.

The tedious twerp described thought he was cuter than his audience, and certainly did his clients-the vendors- no favours.
 
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Top Tip.

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Location
highland
egbert said:
True, but the variance is vast.
One here (now retired) was famous for it, quite blatant, and would simply-shamelessly- fess up if he was landed without a bid.
I don't know that I found it that tiresome, because he was ...well...straight about it.

The tedious twerp described thought he was cuter than his audience, and certainly did his clients-the vendors- no favours.
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Like every job there’s good auctioneers and there’s auctioneers.
 
Ysgythan

Ysgythan

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Ammanford
The auctioneers don’t half wind you up when you’ve seen good ones…

One of the best I’ve seen was selling dairy cattle. I’d called in to the mart. After the sale I said “looked a decent trade” he said “no it wasn’t, every one was a job to shift” - I’ve been to lots of auctions where you know from the off if trade is sticky, there I didn’t have a clue!
 

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