- Location
- Lincolnshire.
I’m not in the NFU. To answer your question yes accusing people of gaslighting is bullying. Saying people are just clinging to a greasy pole in a dishonest way is also bullying. Replace Batters and the NFU policy will remain.
Minette Batters NFU president
- Thread starter warksfarmer
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- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
This is not the schoolyard - we arent all 10 years old and entitled to feel upset! This is life in the real world and people like MB cannot hide behind a claim of bullying when they get asked awkward questions or uncomfortable truths are aired. I have seen no 'bullying' just robust questioning and none of it personal. If you put yourself up in the public arena you should be capable of answering those difficult questions without resorting to hiding behind accusations of bullying
- Location
- Durham, UK
Agree on that last part. The whole nfu set up is wrong but sadly i cant see that changing
SilliamWhale
Member
I don't know. As farmers we a price takers so we have to take money where we can. I can say outright that agriculture going net zero 10 years early is a stupid and irresponsible policy but that doesn't mean I wouldn't take cash from someone who wants me to soak up some theoretical carbon to make them feel better, I don't make the rules. In fact I may need the cash to pay for treated urea! I still don't have to agree with it to do it, like Red Tractor!
I don't personally go in for the salary/ saving skin stuff but it is absolutely fair enough to point out that if someone is claiming to "have given 10 years of their life" to something it's not for free. There is a trade off there! As MB has pointed out before "you'll be rid of me in February" as if it is just about her, but the point is if we don't react very firmly we will be left carrying the can for these shitty policies for a long time after she has left and it could be v uncomfortable for farmers.
I don't think anything I say there is abusive or personal, farmers need to fight for their rights to remain in an equitable marketplace, and the biggest bullying is actually done by RT - comply or you lose your markets.
- Location
- Acton Scott, South Shropshire
I think there is a world of difference between what you and I consider bullying!
Her communications are not open and honest. She is holding back on facts yet has unrealistic expectations on our responses. She has too many forces behind her wanting her to support their interests against small and medium sized farms. What you call childish is the the sound of farmers saying that the NFU is not showing us a way that we can follow. It is not leading.
It's like David Butler on his twitter saying that objections to GFC were just people "squealing".
Leadership requires maturity. We're not seeing that at the moment from the NFU.
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- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Well really if you want a different direction then you need to a positive case which doesn’t include “net zero”. If that case is just to keep using fossil fuel then farmers will be irrelevant, de carbonisation of the economy is both necessary and desirable.
I am not sure what constitutes bullying but I see nothing here that was not said about Boris May or Truss.
Liz Truss in particular was driven out of office by any means possible when it was thought her policies would ruin the country.
I see a strong correlation between Liz and Minette,both are trying to implement change which is not the best for the country even if they have a small majority in their party/members.
Liz Truss in particular was driven out of office by any means possible when it was thought her policies would ruin the country.
I see a strong correlation between Liz and Minette,both are trying to implement change which is not the best for the country even if they have a small majority in their party/members.
SilliamWhale
Member
Look we know net zero as a policy at govt level doesn't really have enough definition and there is a lot of doublespeak. We know that a lot of industry will be using fossil fuels for a long time yet.
I'm not against net zero if it is a govt mandated aim because you have to go with policy but who invented Farming net zero 2040? Were we asked?
- Location
- Somerset UK
If she is not trying to cling to the greasy pole I presume after giving 10 years of her life to this she will be back to shovelling cow sh!t on her beef unit, somehow I doubt it?
Since there doesn’t appear to be any benefit to farming members, the logical conclusion must be to benefit the corporations involved in food processing and retailing. Who we know to be funding the nfu.
Let’s have someone from the nfu Executive come on here and tell me I’m wrong and why.
I promise I won’t bully anyone.
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- Essex
The call from the police?
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- Lincolnshire.
They will never do that because, at its core, the NFU accepts the supremacy of big business.
- Location
- Herefordshire
It seems you can't have an argument in this modern World.
People should man up and get on with it.
- Location
- Essex
And the same markets that imports have access to every day of the year.
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- Lincolnshire.
That’s an argument for not paying your NFU subscriptions. Not a positive case for change. I don’t think I am bullying when I say that, it’s my own course of action.
- Location
- Herefordshire
The same market which everyone had access to before RT came along. .Now you only have access if you pay their tax.
RT has taken that market away from many small UK farmers and opened it up for non assured,non traceable imported wheat.
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Net Zero is an aspiriation. It's not for little people to formulate a policy. It's for the NGOs and HMG.
Oil will be v costly/scarce by the time @agricontract and @ajd132 get onto the top table at the NFU.
Until there is a realistic and practical replacement energy available, talk of Net Zero is all hot air.
Meanwhile landowners and tenant farmers are being hoodwinked into giving up carbon off-sets on their land for next to nothing whilst the corporations can then carry on as normal. And you call the legitimate criticisms on this and other threads childish?
What the NFU-RT are proposing is the slippery slope to a corporate heist, a self-legitimate swindle!
Personalities and hurt feelings is a sideshow. This is about much more. You can obviously see that.
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- East Yorkshire
NGO's have forced SFI policy. Look how well that is turning out.