Rusch
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- Surrey, England
Congrats!
Ive been keeping a secret...
- Thread starter Jdunn55
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Put him in with a batch of 9 month old heifers and see what happens......
ollie989898
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This is big big news as TFF posts go. There should be a list of TFF forumer accolades in a dedicated section, there is no poster on the forum that wouldn't be stoked for you to hear of this. What a way to start the year!
frederick
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- south west
Well done. (But still think your mad )
I don't get the 50 conventional though I would have thought the sexed at 20 pounds are actually better value than the conventional free. (Unless your looking to breed more bulls from him)
Tirglas
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- West wales
Congratulations!!
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
Thanks, I want to breed more bulls from him. He's from the heart of my Winnie family, if launched today, he'd be number 1 for milk, whilst still being a massive +0.08% fat and 0.04% for fat and protein, number 1 for kg of fat (nearly double the next closest bull) and number 1 for kg of protein, unsurprisingly he's number 1 for combined kg of fat and protein too. He's also a red carrier and not closely related to Chad (although it is in his back pedigree but I would be happy to use him on chad cows let alone chad relations).
I'm expecting big things from him tbh.
Oh and his dams back incalf to sexed semen to keep the line going!
Princess Pooper
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- East Mids
So pleased for you. You have worked bloody hard and there have been plenty on here who have mocked your passion for pedigree breeding and the amount you have invested in it. A friend of mine has sold a Guernsey to Cogent recently too.
applejack
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- just south of middle england
Well done James, I second @Princess Pooper 's post.
Farmer Keith
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- North Cumbria
Congratulations, I’m interested in how it all happens? Did cogent approach you to breed a bull of his dam or do you go to cogent with a bull that you feel has the correct credentials to be of interest to them?
Martyn
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- South west
Well done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
Holsteinfriesian90
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- Cornwall
Well done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
Because that would be to much like hard work.
Well done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
Don't know much about but I'd think the AI companies don't want money tied up in cows as it's bulls they need, also the farmer takes the risk with getting the cows in calf/rearing the calves etc.
TheRanger
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- SW Scotland
Had an AA get 2 cows IC on his first day on farm at 13 months old
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
Thankyou, I nearly gave up on it, what with the fertility problems I had here and everything else, didn't even bother registering any of my calves as pedigree, then the genomics for my spring calves came through and I reckon it was a sign! All pedigree'd up again now!
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
So he was a result of a contract mating.
Cogent turns up with a list of cows and heifers, we view said cows and heifers and he either ticks or crosses them off, I show him other cows who I think should be on the list and he may or may not add them too.
Then the list is finalised, I sign contracts, the semen turns up, I ai the cow/heifer, calf is born, cogent rep takes a tissue sample for testing, 8 weeks later cogent receives the genomic results they send it to me and I get excited/disappointed!
I also normally get given 10-15 straws of conventional semen FOC from new bulls to use on any extra cows/heifers I think capable of breeding a bull/heifer of interest. Watch this space
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
Cogent are now working with 10 friesian herds and doing 120 contract matings a year. These matings change every year depending on proof runs. They would have to be buying and selling cows constantly, creating a massive disease risk and it just wouldn't work. Then you multiply that with jersey, guernsey, fleckvieh, montbeliarde etc and youre talking thousands of cows.Well done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
They do it with holsteins to a degree, but normally they have "partner" farms they work with - look at genosource for cogent and denovo with Genus
There's more to breeding a good bull than using the top PLI bull on a high PLI cow. I'm the first to admit when it comes to a lot of things I'm far from the best, but when it comes to breeding cows, I'm bloody good at it. I've taken families and individuals from being minus pli to over 100 and now looking at contract matings for 2 of these heifers, that doesn't happen by chance. I need assistance from the likes of cogent in targeting bulls to produce what the consumer wants, they tell me what sells and we try our best to make it. I'm always thinking down the line with matings. So his dam has gone to braveheart, she herself, will not produce a bull worthy of stud. But she will be middling PLI with no chad, jingle, etc in her back pedigree and should have a right-sided linear with positive everything, mated to the right bull at the time, she will make a daughter who will make the next big thing, hopefully backed by the best part of 10 gens straight vg/ex.
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- Pembrokeshire
I thought one ai company did this ..might be genus but can’t remember it’s so long ago and then the herd and farm was sold offWell done, I still don’t get it though in sense is this an expensive dam you have purchased and now ai, I’m guessing cogent look at the many years of history of data previously to you ownership?
why don’t the ai firms just do what you have done and buy top cows and then manage their own herd in high health guaranteed etc
Jdunn55
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- Helston, cornwall
Cogent and genus still do it to a degree, rarely results in bulls worthy of AI these days though, cogent koepen rocky is a more recent example of a success from an inhouse mating. cogent twist was probably the most famous one I can think of, he was a shottle son and arguably the best shottle son, the others from my understanding were very hit or miss.
Princess Pooper
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- East Mids
Used to be Cogent when it was owned by Grosvenor Farms. Grosvenor bred many of the Cogent bulls. British bred bulls for British conditions used to be one of their main selling points until the majority shareholding was sold in 2017 to ST Genetics.