And the other political parties all round the world don't ?
feck me...they've won
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Come on now you sound like a fully signed up EU fan , you know you want say Faraaaage!
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My point exactly.
We can't complain about flying food in from darkest wherever, or growing it in power hungry vertical farms, if we are going to protest against Net Zero.
So what argument have the French 'won' ?
While that is true, this country has laws that would land us in clink had we done what some of the farmers in the EU did whereas in France at least the laws protect the protesters right to do what they did, that makes it much harder for us, also due to their inheritance laws huge numbers of the french have interest in land.
That's not to say we couldn't do a lot together our point across,mainly by stopping the supply of our produce for a few days, no milk, meat or bread in the shops would soon bring the government down, the trouble is the NFU don't have the balls to organise it on the quiet so it has maximum effect and too many farmers wouldn't tip their milk away or not send finished stock in, or refuse to load grain out.
Thought they were protesting against higher fuel prices making home produced food more expensive than cheap imports many of those from Ukraine, it's making a lot of politicians very nervous of supporting Ukraine joining the EU.
Not just the French all over Europe.
The price the farmer pays for tractor diesel has zero impact on the price of food. Of all the fossil fuel used in the food chain, 0.26% is used on farm. Tesco's freezers burn more electricity than does all of UK agriculture.
If the Frogs think that their farming futures are more secure by getting cheap red, they are deluded.
Think you have got the wrong end of the stick, diesel is simply the last straw for a multitude of complaints of farmers both in Europe & here, Europe's stupid politicians come the European elections will feel the result.
Only a real prat calls French farmers frogs.
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Lot more to it than diesel.
Sort of unrelated, but I reckon net zero will fall apart in due course. World is becoming too unstable an the costs involved are insane. It will take all our efforts just to survive.EU backtracks on net zero..... where does this leave our shambolic 'union' after they signed us up
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can you not at least take succour in the 'discomfort of our enemies'
you know the feeling...the one when 'the potters win and the Vale loose'?
neither happens very often so need to be savoured
It wasn't me who said that they were protesting about higher tractor fuel prices. Or that higher tractor fuel prices made home produced food more expensive in the shops.
can you not at least take succour in the 'discomfort of our enemies'
Nope.
Because those who are calling for reduced fossil fuel use due to (the fear of) climate change, are not our enemies.
Which laws don't they have which we do? I am sure it will be illegal in all the protesting countries to drive a tractor on a motorway, but they did it anyway. Blocking the motorway with half ton bales, tipping soil and spreading it. They may have some right to protest but it's not without limits.
Meanwhile over here, can't protest with a 250,000 grand tractor, which diesel to use, what to put on the banner etc.
You have been pointed to the stats several times. Want me to do so again ?
Would be interesting to see some figures on that.
This is what the link says from the first page:
The European Union has backed down on net zero targets following a wave of farmer's protests.
A target to slash agricultural emissions has now been cut as part of the bloc’s net zero drive.
Brussels still plans to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 90 per cent by 2040.
However, a demand to reduce nitrogen, methane and other emissions linked to farming by almost a third has been removed.
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen proposed withdrawing the EU’s plan to halve the use of pesticides, calling it a "symbol of polarisation."
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but...'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'
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We get a tax rebate on the price of GNR we pay. The French government were going to stop the rebate. This has been reversed.
The French government have immediately stopped the import of produce sprayed with Thiacloprid,a neonnic banned in France.
€150 million extra to livestock farmers.
They will implement "Food Sovereignty" , not importing goods that are produced using methods and products illegal here.
The French government will raise the inheritance tax threshold due on farms passed to the next generation.
Government Subsidised loans for young farmers installing.
The EU have stopped the implementation of the banning of 32 Pesticides, which are used elsewhere.
Edit,and dropped the 4% set aside plan.
It's a start.
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