Option Sam 3 no restrictions
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livestock 1
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Have most folks entered sfi around you yet?Option Sam 3 no restrictions
Yes, most going for the Sam 3 option and kicking themselves that they had entered into the low input grassland last year
livestock 1
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Most are still waiting here. Not sure wether to lock in now or wait. Apparently something better around the corner not sure what though
I think it wouldn't hurt to download the options and have a read through.
The low input grass isn't as perscriptive as I expected.
Basically lines up with how we farm anyway.
Not allowed to poach, but have left a few strategic bits out ready to trash if worst comes to the worst!
Can spread fym up to a limit (12t/ha I think??)
Might be no good for you, but I was pleasantly surprised with what it all totalled up to!!
muleman
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The trouble is the cropping weather would come after 6 weeks and we usually only get one chance here most summers!
Think they trade a lot on the name but are nothing like the formerADAS! i thought they finished in the 80swell i thought thered finished!
Sam3 will likely get pulled when everyone tries to take the pee, or seriously reduced paymentOption Sam 3 no restrictions
Aspiring Peasants
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- Location
- North Pennines
Just make sure you have meticulous records
Aspiring Peasants
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- Location
- North Pennines
This is from the manual
You must minimise the use of nutrient inputs on the grassland entered into LIG1 or LIG2 by applying no more than either:
- 12 tonnes per ha of cattle farmyard manure
- equivalent amounts of available nutrients as fertiliser or in other organic manures as an alternative to cattle farmyard manure
- graze it with livestock or cut it in a way that can reasonably be expected to achieve this action’s aim
- minimise bare ground, so the soil is covered by vegetation and is not directly exposed to the elements
If the grassland will be cut for conserved forage, you must:
- not graze or cut it for a continuous period of at least 7 weeks during the spring and summer months before taking the forage cut, to allow the sward to develop flowering grasses and wildflowers
- leave an uncut margin around the edge of the land parcel when it’s cut for conserved forage, to help provide shelter for invertebrates
livestock 1
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I’ve read the options I wasn’t greatly excited about what was available. Thought we were dealt a bad hand considering the long list arable had then most of them crossed out for us. Very limited
livestock 1
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It can start to ‘go over the top’ here before 7 weeks and there’s the weather as you say
Once it heads it needs cutting otherwise you can’t cut it and buggers the fog up too
Stw88
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- Location
- Northumberland
I think you will be quite surprised at what you will get, especially over a large number of acres. You might have to be slightly creative with some records but the chances of them catching you sprinkling a bit fert on in May or spraying a few thistles is very slim. claim the money and bash on! Everyone else in the valley has been doing that for the last 20 years. For upland farmers I can see that the better options will be Cs schemes or what ever they’re called now not so much Sfi options.
Stw88
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- Location
- Northumberland
its far better having a 7 weeks closed off period than a set date as who can prove down the line the day it was closed up.
livestock 1
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It sort of annoys me that we have improved ground over the years but now have a support system which appears to be non productive and is most likely going to make everything go back over rather than forward
Aspiring Peasants
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- North Pennines
its far better having a 7 weeks closed off period than a set date as who can prove down the line the day it was closed up.
Clover not an improvement ?
Even if you just put that over your 1000 acres it will add up
Stw88
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- Northumberland
Yes a lot of time and money has been spent here improving things, especially the meadow land and better pastures. You can see the difference in the stock for doing so as well. Granda always said good ground should be bare, stock doesnt do right when the grass has been left to go rank and all the goodness has gone out of it. You cant tell these clipboard waving folk that tho, they’re not interested in what the stock is like. Just how many birds and bees there are.
A lot of ground that used to be bare in the spring ( they would say overgrazed) was teaming with lapwings and curlews, when they all went into stewardship and cut the stock back the rushes took over and the birds disappeared. It was all the farmers fault tho.
Yep a bad deal perhaps but best stop worring what others are doing or get what you can yourself.
Chap down the road or over the hedge is no odds to you
livestock 1
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You couldn’t have clover on some of our rough ground