Soonaxed.

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
Supply and demand,
either need less folk or more housing,
seen something on telly back along there were houses in Italy they were offering for next door to nothing but nobody wanted to live there.

how is it someone's fault that the value of their house goes up ?
Did I say it was their fault, just something that needs recognising

1. Deheat the South East through positive economic and planning policies
2. Compel brown site rejuvenation over green field development
3. Revise planning requirements to insist (not just a planning bribe and over rule at construction) more social housing and smaller 2 and 3 bedroom family homes not yield manage "Executive houses"
4. Probably rent caps in urban areas that now majority owned by investors not owner occupiers
5. Accelerate redundant high street shop and office accommodation to higher density flat conversions supported by planning relaxations / tax incentives
6. Overturn the UK obsession with bedroom count rather than M2 evaluations of properties like you see in , say, Germany. A mate in Berlin lives in a super 110m2 2 bedroom flat , that's a fair size house over here
7. Starmer will / should be tempted to create new garden cities . Nothing new under the Sun, I'm a product of Harlow New Town in Essex. Planning would not only consider mixed housing but also integrated facilities such as cycle path networks, medical and educational facilities, 15 minute shopping districts etc . The attractiveness to many (not rural dwellers like us) would be amazing and typically the density of accommodation would be better

The economy / folks sense of a healthy economy is often judged either by retail spend or the increased value of their property. It's daft a bit like quantitative easing just inventing "new" money
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
They just need to allow more houses to be built, but older property owners are in the majority and don't want their house prices to fall.
Therefore nothing positive gets done about this for young people
Sort of agree. In years gone by my elderly relatives often lived with their children. Doesn't happen much now

Same as me too, live (largely) singly as do my partners
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
Did I say it was their fault, just something that needs recognising

1. Deheat the South East through positive economic and planning policies
2. Compel brown site rejuvenation over green field development
3. Revise planning requirements to insist (not just a planning bribe and over rule at construction) more social housing and smaller 2 and 3 bedroom family homes not yield manage "Executive houses"
4. Probably rent caps in urban areas that now majority owned by investors not owner occupiers
5. Accelerate redundant high street shop and office accommodation to higher density flat conversions supported by planning relaxations / tax incentives
6. Overturn the UK obsession with bedroom count rather than M2 evaluations of properties like you see in , say, Germany. A mate in Berlin lives in a super 110m2 2 bedroom flat , that's a fair size house over here
7. Starmer will / should be tempted to create new garden cities . Nothing new under the Sun, I'm a product of Harlow New Town in Essex. Planning would not only consider mixed housing but also integrated facilities such as cycle path networks, medical and educational facilities, 15 minute shopping districts etc . The attractiveness to many (not rural dwellers like us) would be amazing and typically the density of accommodation would be better

The economy / folks sense of a healthy economy is often judged either by retail spend or the increased value of their property. It's daft a bit like quantitative easing just inventing "new" money

Fault?
House price inflation has been UK government policy since Thatcher
 

Danllan

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Location
Sir Gar / Carms
Broken homes largely to blame. In all my years at school I can only think of 1 kid that didn’t live in the same house as both parents
Hmm... no doubt that certainly is a contributory factor.

But the greatest factor, and this even with a declining native population - i.e. old people dying off - is the >10m extra people we have in the country above natural / internal reproduction so far this century.

This isn't a political point, it's just a mathematical fact.
 

robs1

Member
Broken homes largely to blame. In all my years at school I can only think of 1 kid that didn’t live in the same house as both parents
That would be a natural assumption but I just looked it up on statista and it's virtually the same now as in 1996 which is as far back as figures go, you and I are both divorced but now remarried, my wife is with someone new so still mainly two adults per house.
Immigration is the biggest factor, the UK's population in 79 was 56 million it's now pushing 70 that's a huge number of extra houses needed plus of course a big increase in second homes and holiday lets, according to government figures there are just over 800,000 in England alone
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
That would be a natural assumption but I just looked it up on statista and it's virtually the same now as in 1996 which is as far back as figures go, you and I are both divorced but now remarried, my wife is with someone new so still mainly two adults per house.
Immigration is the biggest factor, the UK's population in 79 was 56 million it's now pushing 70 that's a huge number of extra houses needed plus of course a big increase in second homes and holiday lets, according to government figures there are just over 800,000 in England alone

sadly, I had finished school a long, long long time before 1996
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
That would be a natural assumption but I just looked it up on statista and it's virtually the same now as in 1996 which is as far back as figures go, you and I are both divorced but now remarried, my wife is with someone new so still mainly two adults per house.
Immigration is the biggest factor, the UK's population in 79 was 56 million it's now pushing 70 that's a huge number of extra houses needed plus of course a big increase in second homes and holiday lets, according to government figures there are just over 800,000 in England alone

Ex still lives in her own (obviously, impossible act to follow 🙄), daughter is living on her own…
 

robs1

Member
but I was talking about 1966, not 1996
I know but you said it was thatcher that was responsible for house price inflation from 1980. I think most people that get divorced move in with someone else at some point, only anti social people like living on their own, I enjoyed it for just over three years but the novelty wears off after a while, it's a pain having to get dressed and go home 🙄🤣🤣
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
I know but you said it was thatcher that was responsible for house price inflation from 1980. I think most people that get divorced move in with someone else at some point, only anti social people like living on their own, I enjoyed it for just over three years but the novelty wears off after a while, it's a pain having to get dressed and go home 🙄🤣🤣

I an surprised you write that and am certainly not looking to be argumentative; but when I left my village of some 70 houses, over 10 of those had single adults.

Maybe it was my doing ?🤦‍♀️😂
 

czechmate

Member
Mixed Farmer
I know but you said it was thatcher that was responsible for house price inflation from 1980. I think most people that get divorced move in with someone else at some point, only anti social people like living on their own, I enjoyed it for just over three years but the novelty wears off after a while, it's a pain having to get dressed and go home 🙄🤣🤣

I think she came to power in 79?
You are maybe muddling two posts🤔
I dont think I was blaming thatcher for single parents, her part of the blame is about selling council houses and a general money grabbing society (remember harry enfields - « loads a money ») which started this now British epidemic of house value.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
That's an interesting thing to write, please expand on it and explain what you mean.
Which bit ?
If there was no need to get PP to build then a house wouldnt be worth much more than the value of the land it sits on plus the cost to build it.
I see PP as a subsidy cos its given to some and not others and at the same time used to keep housing in short supply
 

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