Machinery price discussion .

will_mck

will_mck

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In reality I don't really believe that machinery prices will come down in future. They haven't in the past. Greedflation is definitely part of the problem, even though cost of production of equipment has unavoidably risen. Farmers need to price around more which will help reduce machinery greedflation. I've recently bought a new manure spreader, I was after a particular brand and there's only one dealer for them in a 100 mile radius so I priced the same one with another dealer further away out of interest, by doing this I saved £7000. I intend to look after all my gear and keep it until it's done and hopefully get value out of it that way
 
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warksfarmer

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The market will partially collapse though reduced sales but because we are a very small island in the grand scheme of things, manufacturers will reduce the numbers of machines they bring in and divert them elsewhere. The reduced numbers will just mean less dealers within each franchise so more takeovers or probably more likely the manufacturers are also the dealers.
 
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mf7480

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warksfarmer said:
The market will partially collapse though reduced sales but because we are a very small island in the grand scheme of things, manufacturers will reduce the numbers of machines they bring in and divert them elsewhere. The reduced numbers will just mean less dealers within each franchise so more takeovers or probably more likely the manufacturers are also the dealers.
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Why would the manufacturers want to be dealers? They’ve got the best of all worlds how it is
 
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warksfarmer

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BrianV said:
Government stupidity yet again, farming losses will simply be passed down the line resulting in bankruptcies & job losses from suppliers which will have another knock on effect for their suppliers, the Tories have no idea what they have started & will pay dearly for it!
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This started with Tony Blairs government. Its just taken a while to filter through and its because basically theres no difference between labour and conservatives any more. Same party different colours.
 
thesilentone

thesilentone

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Livestock Farmer
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Cumbria
warksfarmer said:
To control the used machinery market. They sell all the new ones whilst taking the used ones in. Full control pretty much like what claas have been doing for years.
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Won't happen by choice.

Why would you want a rusty, dodgy s/h machine to sell and take the liabilities on ?

Claas do not do it, they totally relie on the Dealers, some of whom they may have a share in. However that is to more likely secure and guarantee continuity.
 
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warksfarmer

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thesilentone said:
Won't happen by choice.

Why would you want a rusty, dodgy s/h machine to sell and take the liabilities on ?

Claas do not do it, they totally relie on the Dealers, some of whom they may have a share in. However that is to more likely secure and guarantee continuity.
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Most claas dealers are claas unless they've been sold recently.
 
Magnus Oyke

Magnus Oyke

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warksfarmer said:
The market will partially collapse though reduced sales but because we are a very small island in the grand scheme of things, manufacturers will reduce the numbers of machines they bring in and divert them elsewhere. The reduced numbers will just mean less dealers within each franchise so more takeovers or probably more likely the manufacturers are also the dealers.
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Other countries have the same issue with high machinery prices too, so yes, we are a small island the problem isn't isolated to us. Quite why manufacturers put the price up to the point where what they are selling is out of the reach of most buyers is unclear
 
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Spud

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alomy75 said:
I’m surprised more farmers don’t do their own agronomy; I could see that account for an 80% drop. AI on the other hand…I doubt it. A drone can’t walk into some wheat, pull the crop over to see what disease is lurking in the canopy and advise accordingly. Farmers see their agronomist as a friend in many cases; someone to talk to. The only thing AI would be useful for maybe is fert recs based on reflectance…so yes, maybe as an agronomy aid as you say but I can’t see numbers dropping at all unless you’re a multiple agronomist farm
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Prescription agronomists exist, but the value in an agronomist to me goes way beyond the rec sheet. A bit like a farm secretary, its what they learn elsewhere that allows us to move forward and find better solutions. An important part of the team, provided they are up for open discussion rather than prescription
 
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warksfarmer

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nick... said:
I can see more stuff getting hired as the costs spiral out of control.I’ve no real sympathies for dealers after how I been treated by some because I’m too small to bother about.
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Hire only stacks up if your doing high hours a year. Majority of people are running multiple older pieces of machinery to make life easy. The only way they could make hire up is probably by replacing 3-4 used tractors against one new hired tractor. With that brings the constant hassle of swapping around the equipment used behind it, only being in one place at a time etc.
Looks at loaders on arable farms mainly doing what around 500 hours a year. Hiring a £100,000 telescopic on 500 hours a year simply wont stack up against owning a 10 year old one which costs virtually nothing to have in the yard.
 
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PI Stsker

PI Stsker

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South West
warksfarmer said:
Hire only stacks up if your doing high hours a year. Majority of people are running multiple older pieces of machinery to make life easy. The only way they could make hire up is probably by replacing 3-4 used tractors against one new hired tractor. With that brings the constant hassle of the equipment used behind it, only being in one place at a time etc.
Looks at loaders on arable farms mainly doing what arpund 500 hours a year. Hiring a £100,000 telescopic on 500 hours a year simply wont stack up against owning a 10 year old one which costs virtually nothing to have in the yard.
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But owning one also works out cheaper than hiring weather your doing the hours or not, it only really works if you need a high horse power tractor for only 2 weeks of the year, like say to do all your top downing in September. Hire a big tractor for 2 weeks then continue on with your 150hp tractor the rest of the year.
I can’t make hire stack up any direction, even the fixed cost at any cost crowd struggle against it with all the service R&M contracts available now etc with HP deals. I like to have an asset at the end of paying for it.. not pay similar money as the HP bill and see it go back to the hire company after 18 months
 
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Drillman

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All down to interest rates, dealers need the money to pay the bills cos a lot of them are effectively skint and sat on overpriced stock which is hurting financially.

the bank managers will be having more sleepless nights than the directors of big dealerships. A lot will be so far in the banks can’t afford to let them go under!

ultimately it’s the financial institutions to blame for handing money over without due diligence
 
Chuckie

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England
mf7480 said:
Do you think hire costs are sheltered from the massive inflation in machinery costs? 😳
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Some have while things were constantly going up, for example there will have been plenty of ex hire trailers sold for more than they cost new.

It won't work like that for ever though
 

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