Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
I would say that NFU statement wasn't released without prior consultation with seed suppliers and Defra. Happy to be corrected.
AHL2 - Winter Bird Food
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Little squeak
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- Lancashire
well it's certainly contary to what DEFRA have wrote
With a three year agreement and specifically allowed to be rotational annually, how can only having it in place for one year not meet the aims? That would suggest that unless left in the same place for three years, at least one of the years is not meeting the aims?
farmerm
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- Shropshire
Imagine if any other Trade Union made statements that undermine it members, ffs
farmerm
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- Location
- Shropshire
Whatever it is, it need members daft enough to pay the subs to stamp it out, NOW!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
Utterly shocking the NFU re- writing the SFI guidance themselves then presenting it as new rules for the scheme to NFU members.
Utter nonsense for the NFU to say that planting after taking a crop off in July means you will not get small seeds by late autumn/ winter as the official SFI guidance by Defra requires! yes a slight risk but certainly possible to take Barley off early July then get a winter crop of small bird seeds, will depend on the season at the end of the day.
I thought you said the NFU were changing for the better @Clive yet they seem to be working more and more for the supermarkets with every passing day!
gone up the hill
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- Devon
What the NFU are effectively saying is that you would have to plant the bird seed crop either early spring or the previous autumn after the previous years crop has been harvested but the bird seed crop would only be eligible to claim for the following autumn / winter so you would have to go 12 months on that land without having a crop or making a claim for AHL2!
Complete nonsense and unworkable!
Yup, I was just going to ignore it as nonsense, including what they say about AHL1 somehow needing a year to mature before the flowers flower! It's not what the handbook said when I signed up to an agreement in good faith.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
NFU have lost the plot!
No one would enter any of these SFI options if you had to take a year out of cropping/ entering SFI options if you had to do like the NFU suggest !
Tom Bradshaw needs to explain to NFU members why the NFU are re-writing the SFI guidance themselves and presenting their made up rules as official SFI guidance!
No one would enter SFI unless you could blag more than 1 payment a year? I left the NFU and not due to SFI however.. 1 payment once a year seems to be the loophole that the DEFRA people have planned to close... make a new plan... those of us in CS are...
fieldfarmer
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They are talking b0llocks, these plots were drilled on the 28/7/23 after winter barley for a pheasant drive two blocks 5 acres each like this, ( photo taken 11/10/ 23.) Fed birds tiil march.
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In the fishing industry they call it hook, line and sinker... anything bragged about on public forums that envolves public money gets seen in the end? Anyone heard of the Serious Fraud Office? Farmers need twice the offerings at present but as usual we take any crumb we are thrown... like Trout...
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
If you follow the NFU guidance you would not be able to claim the SFI payment the first year after you drill AHL1/2 !
Or crop the land that year either!
What they are basically saying is say you cut your wheat this August, you would then have to drill the bird seed either then or early next spring but would not be able to claim for that bird seed untill the following autumn/ winter so even thou you could claim sfi for autumn 2025/winter 2026 you would not be able to crop the land for autumn/winter/spring 2024/25 so effectively you lose one complete cropping year with no SFI payment in those 12 months either!
Yes i accept that but they are trying to stop NO FOOD production.. hence why they will be re writting the rules with DEFRA and Minister Lord Spenzer as we speak.. new rules are delayed as a result for SFI24..
gone up the hill
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- Devon
No one has been bragging, they have just been trying to work a rotation that fits with Defra guidance.
Then the NFU come along, re-write the SFI guidance themselves then present it as official Defra guidance!
The guidance was never for real it was to encourage farmers into their scheme then they change the rules... NFU will help them change the rules aided and abetted by BRC...
gone up the hill
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- Location
- Devon
If they are not carefull they will make SFI unworkable on these high paying options just like they have done so with all the grassland options if you want to farm as well as claim SFI!Yes i accept that but they are trying to stop NO FOOD production.. hence why they will be re writting the rules with DEFRA and Minister Lord Spenzer as we speak.. new rules are delayed as a result for SFI24..
If they keep changing the rules of SFI every other week everyone will lose confidence in the scheme and many will pull out i suspect!
Yes weather is crap now/ crops look shocking but in 12 months straw could be £150 ton ex farm/ grain £250 ex farm and the weather is perfect for arable farming etc.
gone up the hill
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- Devon
I think the whole scheme will be ripped up anyway after the election later this year!
I didn't mention the weather! Luckily i still have 50% of BPS to help survive this year! Next year is another matter and they WILL keep changing the rules... most annoyingly for our farming business plans
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