Doesn't make it alright

Henarar said:

It was a genuine question
We had some travellers move in not far from here a few years ago, lived in old busses and the like as far as I know they done no harm to anyone, there was some pettiness over a water supply but apart from that...
spose there is good and bad in all walks of life,

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A couple of buses of New Age travelling folks moved into the fishermens' car park at our lower boundary, and I immediately got a call from the elderly and fierce some water bailiff telling me how he was going to go and sort them out.
Next time I saw him, I asked if he had moved them on but he said "Actually, they are not a bad bunch, the girls are very friendly" and they ended up staying there all summer with regular social visits from the bailiff who sat on the river bank chatting and sharing a smoke.

FonterraFarmer said:

With that sh!t, take it up with the school and the board of trustees, then tell them in no uncertain terms that if its ever to go beyond standard accepted educational requirements then they should fúck off as they have no right indoctrinating their beliefs on your children.

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Best to be absolutely certain that of not going overboard on nothing more than gossip and rumours, however. Egg - face interface could be extremely embarrassing for the child.

melted welly said:

Been physically threatened to the point of feeling real fear for my safety three times in my life, exclusively by travellers.

Father lost money to their surface dressing tarmacing extortion racket after he’d ill advisedly engaged their services. They got him as he returned from a funeral, demanding £3500. As per usual, they had quoted him linear meters, did more than agreed then charged in square meters. I negotiated down to £1000, put £999 in an envelope out of principle and was about lynched. the work they did was an embarrassment, just a waste of materials, first rain and it was all gone.

Hare coursers blocked me in on the side roads after challenging them about their activities, police said was a known vehicle from traveller site.

Transit van poking round the yard at 2330hrs one night, followed it to get number, got cornered down a track and threatened. Police said registered to a known address in Crieff that travellers use for a base.

If they haven’t come for you yet, lucky you, just wait, they’ll be around soon enough.

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That's a terrible experience. Terrible. The perpetrators should have the book thrown at them. Their being intimidating cowards who hide behind protected status is the problem. That police haven't the means of getting to them without a harm to that status is also the problem. Nobody should be able to hide behind privilege when they have committed crimes.

The protected status designation itself isn't the problem.

yoki said:

It's brain-washing.

Bombard people with a never ending flow of inane drivel which requires no concentration, evokes no real emotion, and is rewritten the following day with more of the same, and it's the mental equivalent of creating a sterile seed bed.

It then means that it's easier to steer people towards an acceptance of any agenda that the powers that be wish to introduce.

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That’s most certainly nothing new. Wasn’t organised religion supposed to be the ‘Opium of the masses’ . Then you got the cinema and football then TV all supposedly to keep the proleteriate in line and not thinking too deeply about their role in society. Now there are internet forums that deflect people away from the real issues towards finding scapegoats at the bottom end rather than the top. It’s all very Orwellian. Where is todays two minute hate going to be directed?

robs1 said:

I call them scum because that's exactly what they are.
As others have said you are being deliberately obtuse and that's not unusual for you or you just enjoy trolling.

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Rogues of all classes are scum. The classes themselves aren't, though. White collar rogues are scum that too often fly under radars. They are of all creeds and colours. Still scum.

teslacoils said:

St George's day today.

Wonder if Lincs plod, whove illuminated their hq for a whole host of reasons including holocaust memorial day, LGBTQ+ awareness day, and nspcc day, will be doing anything special for it?

Few flags perhaps?

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Turkish one? Old George was a middle eastern chap

Aspiring Peasants said:

Here’s some facts. If I had a caravan and parked it in the side of the road I would be told I had to move on. If I left all my litter behind I would be fined. If I’m a “traveller” and I park the caravan on the side of the road, the Council bring Portaloos and clear up the rubbish I leave for me. There is a caravan site near us where the “travellers” park on the side of the road right opposite. He gets hardly any paying customers for the weeks they are there, which are peak weeks in the summer, because they are there.

Last year when they left to go to Appleby fare, they left a dead horse in a ditch partly covered with branches. If I did that with a cow, there would be an outcry and I’d probably be shut down.

The comments about police not entering traveller’s camps are true. The most recent being someone who had a quad stolen with a tracker on it. He showed the police where it was, they wouldn’t go in to get it back. They are allowed to behave in a way that is outside the law that the rest of us have to abide by, and are subsidised by the authorities to do it. They intimidate people because they know they can get away with it. I had some stop when they saw me in the yard and tell me they were working for the highways agency and needed somewhere to dispose of road planings, and offered them free of charge to put down in the yard. Anyone who let them do that were then asked for an extortionate amount of money for laying them. Just a con. Just to add to that, local shops close when they are in town because they go in and take what they want with out fear of comeback

These comments about them aren’t due to bigotry, they are from personal experiences, I suggest you need to get out from behind your computer screen and stop being indoctrinated by woke propaganda.

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Then the police in question should be allowed clarification of their roles so as to avoid giving undue privilege (private law) to criminals within the protected group. This must be a nightmare for honest people within the protected group as a whole, when a criminal subculture is unchecked around them.

primmiemoo said:

Then the police in question should be allowed clarification of their roles so as to avoid giving undue privilege (private law) to criminals within the protected group. This must be a nightmare for honest people within the protected group as a whole, when a criminal subculture is unchecked around them.

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Historically, a lot of the travellers came daffy picking in spring, they picked cockles, dug worms, tatties, loads of interesting stuff, they were proper grafters, sharp as a tack too. I dunno if it’s related but we never really got any bother back then.
Then when “tax went digital” it was a nail in the coffin as we couldn’t pay cash in hand to “Mr Stewart fae Montrose high street” any longer, they stopped coming. The only recent dealings we’ve had are with the rogue element, and they’re not of the local families, they’re from far further afield and nasty.
Still see some of the older locals about in town, but wouldn’t know any of the younger generations, the end of cash in hand work broke the link between travellers and farms I think.

melted welly said:

Historically, a lot of the travellers came daffy picking in spring, they picked cockles, dug worms, tatties, loads of interesting stuff, they were proper grafters, sharp as a tack too. I dunno if it’s related but we never really got any bother back then.
Then when “tax went digital” it was a nail in the coffin as we couldn’t pay cash in hand to “Mr Stewart fae Montrose high street” any longer, they stopped coming. The only recent dealings we’ve had are with the rogue element, and they’re not of the local families, they’re from far further afield and nasty.
Still see some of the older locals about in town, but wouldn’t know any of the younger generations, the end of cash in hand work broke the link between travellers and farms I think.

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The move to digital isn't insurmountable, but not all are fully literate to deal with the paperwork. I think there was a radio programme on the subject in the past couple of years.

primmiemoo said:

And when it comes to which Public Skool ~ there are many more completely normal and decent Old [insert Public Skool name here]s in the world than the crooks and b*starts in politics and business we hear about in the News.

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Dont know about this any of them I have met in whatever job there were in I found to be arrogant and entitled. Thought they would walk over me but failed and then complained about my attitude

oil barron said:

I know where your coming from starting the post with good intent for folks who might not be mainstream farmers.

The problem with the SNP/Rainbow green issue from which you started this thread is that they are trying to force their beliefs onto others at the detriment of some parts of society - notably young girls, girls sport. That is an issue which will affect anyone who is a parent of young girls which is why the language becomes a bit flowery sometimes, to our discredit. The previous leader of the Conservative Party was a Lesbian and I don’t think you would hear a bad word said about her, not so much because she was a Tory but because she had a live and let live mentality.

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Didn't know Liz Truss was a lesbian.

Lowland1 said:

That’s most certainly nothing new. Wasn’t organised religion supposed to be the ‘Opium of the masses’ . Then you got the cinema and football then TV all supposedly to keep the proleteriate in line and not thinking too deeply about their role in society. Now there are internet forums that deflect people away from the real issues towards finding scapegoats at the bottom end rather than the top. It’s all very Orwellian. Where is todays two minute hate going to be directed?

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Religion was the former means of societal control. It failed from the 1960's on. It took a while fro tehm to do it but over the last 20 years the elites have managed to create 2 new means of societal control, the PC theory and climate change theory. These are both now used to oppress the governed.

BrianV said:

I should stop digging if I were you, I think we all know what you are by now!

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You are an entirely self-centred apologist for a literal genocide, so you may guess how much weight your opinion carries with me.

tractorsandcows said:

Didn't know Liz Truss was a lesbian.

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He probably means Boris... or is writing about Scotland.

merino said:

They were my neighbours and friends for twenty years.

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That explains a lot

primmiemoo said:

Then the police in question should be allowed clarification of their roles so as to avoid giving undue privilege (private law) to criminals within the protected group. This must be a nightmare for honest people within the protected group as a whole, when a criminal subculture is unchecked around them.

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It's their choice to be part of the group

Aspiring Peasants, yes i can talk from bitter personal experience, about the "travellers" or what ever they care to go by? We here in essex not far from basildon had for a few years one of the biggest "camp" of them in the UK, yes they are the lowest of the low why? because of some of the things that happened here, examples, making a nice lady who we knew well, who happend to work/serve in the local post office, her life hell? Acting and behahaving worse than animals, example, my mother was sitting in her car outside our local shop, and a few of them pulled their car sideways between my mothers car and the other car, so their car was half on the road and half on the path? When my mother talked to them about this, she was met with a torrant of foul language and intimidation? Yes i dont like them

I gave up on TV when Stan Ogden and Eddie Yeats left or were written out of Coronation St. Proper blokes they were!

merino said:

Given the history of outrageous fantasy the people complaining about travellers have, well, I just can't accept that any of the stories posted are remotely credible.

Please stop referring to protected groups as scum. You're really lowering the tone.

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I have prosecuted and defended dozens of them, and have been in Court to see the same done for many dozens more. Additionally, I have discussed them as a group, as families and as individuals with the police, with social services and with probation officers.

First thing 'travellers' aren't a single group of people. There are basically three sets of people who get thrown in together and labeled as such, these being Romany people, Irish travellers and 'New Age' / van travellers. (When I write of Romany people, I mean those whose families have been in the UK for a long time, not recently come from Eastern Europe)

The crimes, some actual and some notional, of each of these sets generally only overlay in one way, and that being that being damage to property they shouldn't be on. Otherwise there is not a great deal that they share in common.

By far the greatest amount of crime is committed by 'Irish travellers', Pikies in the vernacular; it is vastly out of proportion to their numbers. I have come across maybe two or three who I would regard as being genuinely honest and trustworthy, they have kept their background secret because they know its value. All of the others have been appalling individuals / families.

What sort of horrible and entirely true story would you like me to relay regarding these people? They, as a general group, do enormous damage, they steal, assault, kill and defraud without much care, they couldn't give a toss for any others than themselves in any way and they have utter contempt for the social workers etc. who try and help them, seeing them as useful idiots who lubricate the benefits system.

They could never be accused of anything like the Rochdale Asian rapes / grooming, and have a quite old-fashioned, even conservative outlook on chastity and marriage - which I have found is pretty generally adhered to. They wouldn't hesitate to steal from or cheat a pregnant woman or an old lady, but if any ever laid a hand on them he'd have hell to pay from his peers.

I know of one case near Luton which saw a miscreant almost killed because of something like this, I am not sure if it was because of what he had actually done, or the shame he had brought on his family by doing it, in any case the result was the same. These and other insights are based on quite a lot of conversations I have had with them as defendants and with their families.

I have no hesitation is describing the people I mention as 'scum', it is an accurate term for them.

If you think this is anti-Irish racism... well, setting aside my own proportion of Irish blood, go and ask the people of the ROI how much they love the knackers and if they want all those over here back...

Danllan said:

I have prosecuted and defended dozens of them, and have been in Court to see the same done for many dozens more. Additionally, I have discussed them as a group, as families and as individuals with the police, with social services and with probation officers.

First thing 'travellers' aren't a single group of people. There are basically three sets of people who get thrown in together and labeled as such, these being Romany people, Irish travellers and 'New Age' / van travellers. (When I write of Romany people, I mean those whose families have been in the UK for a long time, not recently come from Eastern Europe)

The crimes, some actual and some notional, of each of these sets generally only overlay in one way, and that being that being damage to property they shouldn't be on. Otherwise there is not a great deal that they share in common.

By far the greatest amount of crime is committed by 'Irish travellers', Pikies in the vernacular; it is vastly out of proportion to their numbers. I have come across maybe two or three who I would regard as being genuinely honest and trustworthy, they have kept their background secret because they know its value. All of the others have been appalling individuals / families.

What sort of horrible and entirely true story would you like me to relay regarding these people? They, as a general group, do enormous damage, they steal, assault, kill and defraud without much care, they couldn't give a toss for any others than themselves in any way and they have utter contempt for the social workers etc. who try and help them, seeing them as useful idiots who lubricate the benefits system.

They could never be accused of anything like the Rochdale Asian rapes / grooming, and have a quite old-fashioned, even conservative outlook on chastity and marriage - which I have found is pretty generally adhered to. They wouldn't hesitate to steal from or cheat a pregnant woman or an old lady, but if any ever laid a hand on them he'd have hell to pay from his peers.

I know of one case near Luton which saw a miscreant almost killed because of something like this, I am not sure if it was because of what he had actually done, or the shame he had brought on his family by doing it, in any case the result was the same. These and other insights are based on quite a lot of conversations I have had with them as defendants and with their families.

I have no hesitation is describing the people I mention as 'scum', it is an accurate term for them.

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The problem is after years of posting nonsense I don't think you are credible.
You've had a good run I suppose.