tealdog038
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Not sure if lack of drop floor is a draw back. In my experience, things that dont quite fit under the rotor i would rather have out of the chamber than in.
Which round baler ?
- Thread starter Moonface
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Not sure if lack of drop floor is a draw back. In my experience, things that dont quite fit under the rotor i would rather have out of the chamber than in.
Does your Mchale have density rams and springs like this?
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ILovebaling
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- Co Durham
Life is defiantly easier with the drop floor, not had anything we should have in, yet. And even without it, like in the NH, that managed to bale a full rake arm into the chamber!
Yes that picture of the back end of the Mchale is identical to our baler other than the number
Yes that picture of the back end of the Mchale is identical to our baler other than the number
tealdog038
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- New Zealand
One good thing about NH; if you can drive over it, itl bale it!
puntabrava
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- Wiltshire
Neighbour had a Krone on demo yesterday, the bales look very soft but then the driver was going too fast also.
ILovebaling
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- Co Durham
Well if I was going to go back to a NH because i like the look of it, it'd have to look a lot like angelina jolie. I'd make sure you get it well and truly demo'd and see what other people think first cos we were well and truly put off.
Another point about the NHs is the actual feeding in system on the pick up reel. Don't know if the design has been altered now but in the bottom of the pick up reel there used to be a piece of soft rubber or plastic and in the wrong type if crop, I.e. short grass or badly weathered straw, this piece or rubber used to get squashed down and would cause blockages and the only way we found to unblock was pull out every last bit of the blockage. Again a nightmare.
We did cure a lot of this problem ourselves by manufacturing a solid plate to reace the rubbery stuff (on our original 740 this piece of rubber was actually metal and there was never an issue on that baler)!
Another point about the NHs is the actual feeding in system on the pick up reel. Don't know if the design has been altered now but in the bottom of the pick up reel there used to be a piece of soft rubber or plastic and in the wrong type if crop, I.e. short grass or badly weathered straw, this piece or rubber used to get squashed down and would cause blockages and the only way we found to unblock was pull out every last bit of the blockage. Again a nightmare.
We did cure a lot of this problem ourselves by manufacturing a solid plate to reace the rubbery stuff (on our original 740 this piece of rubber was actually metal and there was never an issue on that baler)!
ILovebaling
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- Co Durham
Speed shouldn't affect the density that much. I can be going anywhere from 6 to 10 miles an hour and the bales are very very similar. Often could go faster but that's also often not the case due to field conditions.
Kuhns seem to be getting quite popular, looked at them? Know of 4 people with them and none have complained.
Kuhns seem to be getting quite popular, looked at them? Know of 4 people with them and none have complained.
ILovebaling
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- Co Durham
Can I ask the original poster why you are so against staying with the Welgers?
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- Easter ross
I like the way of unblocking by reversing the rotor on our JD 568 fair enuf it can't do straw but that's what we've got the 580 for ;-)
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- Easter ross
Maybe because they're so shoddy, know of several local to me that are still under a year and having/had major probs
Dave6170
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- Watten, caithness
We have a welgar 320 and 200. 320 is twice the baler of the 200. weighs over 3tonne empty! Very strong and has been very reliable. 200 is a piece o junk compared to it. but they both have terrible paint work.
ILovebaling
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Already stated the probs we've had was just wondering the OPs problems. NH had reversing rotor and thought it was ok, a lot better than not having one. But on most occasions even after reversing it was still to pull out by hand. The drop floor is 100% the better method, never had to get off the tractor seat for a lump last year.
The reasons I won't be having another welger are :
Seems to only produce tidy bales in perfect conditions, needs big swaths and that's not always the case
Problems getting netter set right have got the hang of it now
Needed quite a bit during its winter service too much in my eyes !
I cannot stress enough that overall that the welger is a good baler and its output I cannot complain about BUT the bales I do need to be tidy and I can see to achieve that I need to go back to a narrower chambered baler !
Also my closest welger dealer is roughly 40 miles away now while NH, mchale, jd and kuhn are all around half that ! Dealer backup means more than brand to me !
Seems to only produce tidy bales in perfect conditions, needs big swaths and that's not always the case
Problems getting netter set right have got the hang of it now
Needed quite a bit during its winter service too much in my eyes !
I cannot stress enough that overall that the welger is a good baler and its output I cannot complain about BUT the bales I do need to be tidy and I can see to achieve that I need to go back to a narrower chambered baler !
Also my closest welger dealer is roughly 40 miles away now while NH, mchale, jd and kuhn are all around half that ! Dealer backup means more than brand to me !
Seen a mccale today at local show never seen one before but just looked as if they started with a welgar and made it better. is it narrower chamber than welgar then. we have had 2 welgar balers and they seem to be faster than all our neighbers but that maybe driver but ive always said they are straw balers as they can make untidy bales in silage
ILovebaling
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Well if its tidy bales you want the WELGER bales we found to be much better than a Mchale bale in either a good row or a terrible row. The Mchale needs a good row more so than the Welger baler does. We had some truly shocking looking Mchale bales last year yet in the same rows the Welgers came out fine. Same with the NH, it need a good even row!
In fact I will go as far as to say that whatever baler you buy you need to have a good even row!! I cannot express the need enough for this! The row makes the bale more so than the baler IMO. I don't care what make or model of baler you have.
In fact I will go as far as to say that whatever baler you buy you need to have a good even row!! I cannot express the need enough for this! The row makes the bale more so than the baler IMO. I don't care what make or model of baler you have.
ILovebaling
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In reply to tr250.
The Mchale baler is a Welger with a few modification and slightly beefier (basically they 'borrowed' the Welger design). Same sized bale chamber.
The Mchale baler is a Welger with a few modification and slightly beefier (basically they 'borrowed' the Welger design). Same sized bale chamber.
ILovebaling
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They only make untidy bales in untidy rows. Really cannot stress this enough. It's the same for any baler in my experience.
Either learn to row up properly or teach your customers or staff to row up properly.
Either learn to row up properly or teach your customers or staff to row up properly.
tealdog038
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Its usually the lighter crops that are a problem and only way to solve that is a four rotor rake. If you can get a drive of the new roll belt i suggest you do
(the wide pickup version) and have a look at the differences on the door rams between the 2 models to see if theyve beefed up the 150.
(the wide pickup version) and have a look at the differences on the door rams between the 2 models to see if theyve beefed up the 150.