Cure for heifer with whites please.
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Headless chicken
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I wouldn't be concerned until at least 21 days. If your AYR I would wait till 42 then if no heat or still dirty estrumate then
Headless chicken
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Agreed but if your Ayr calving and a reasonable yield there is no need. Provided you haven't just ignored her and have looked at 21 I certainly wouldn't panic
buffalo_soldier
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Too slow. I'm looking for decisions from 14 d.
More to life
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buffalo_soldier
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Speed.
Unless the vet is visiting daily, presenting cows from 21 d means they could be up to 28 d or even more if a 2 wk routine is used.
Presenting from 14 d reduces lag time.
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Don't get it what can you do at 14 days
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I rest my case
HasthorpeGrange
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Personally because it is a heifer and tend to find heifers take a little longer to get in calf start as soon as possible. Using an AI sheath and a syringe put a syringe of diluted iodine through the cervix before it closes up anymore. Two 30ml syringes tends to be enough. At the same time estrumate which will bring her bulling in 2 or 3 days then her next cycle should be around 6/7 weeks when she may be ready for serving. The non milk withdrawal antibiotics should have also helped.
We have found estrumate early before the infection gets trapped as the cervix closes
We have found estrumate early before the infection gets trapped as the cervix closes
Really,really like the sound of this procedure..and no milk withhold ! How many mls of iodine in 60 mls of water? Many years ago a vet washed out two cows with dilute iodine,problem was it wasn't diluted enough.i had two very sick cows for about a week,milk left them and they never cycled again.
You guys never fail to amaze me with your creativity.
By the very nature of the definition a cow cannot have endometritis until she is 21 days calves. Various discharges are a normal part of cleaning up after calving - red, brow, even white. The caruncles ('roses') slough off after calving. I used to stick a lot of metricures etc into these cows at 10-14 days pp and they get better - but they get better just as fast if you don't treat most of them. At the moment we have no reliable way of telling which cow with mild whites at 14 days will still have infection beyond 21 days. There is quite a lot of research going on in this area at the moment.
Treating these cows (before 21 days) with antibiotic will often be unnecessary and an overuse of antibiotic.
Treating these cows with hormones is unlikely to do much good (the infection doesn't become 'trapped' behind the cervix) and the public do not like us giving cows hormones unnecessarily - nor do I.
Iodine is interesting - there are some papers showing that it can be effective in terms of treatment, but others have found it can damage the uterus and lead to increased time to conception.
The solution to endometritis is prevention not treatment. The answer is absolutely NOT to over treat early cases that would self cure. There is no evidence that early treatment males any difference to reproductive performance (there is some disparity in how much treatment helps affected cows).
Were I do regular (weekly/fortnightly) routines I leave a lot of mild whites (grades 1 and some 2's) cases at 14 ish days until the next visit and the cure rate is as good as when I treat them. I treat a hell of a lot less of these cows now and the results are just as good.
Just because you are doing something and seeing an effect - it doesn't mean that your treatment affected the outcome!
By the very nature of the definition a cow cannot have endometritis until she is 21 days calves. Various discharges are a normal part of cleaning up after calving - red, brow, even white. The caruncles ('roses') slough off after calving. I used to stick a lot of metricures etc into these cows at 10-14 days pp and they get better - but they get better just as fast if you don't treat most of them. At the moment we have no reliable way of telling which cow with mild whites at 14 days will still have infection beyond 21 days. There is quite a lot of research going on in this area at the moment.
Treating these cows (before 21 days) with antibiotic will often be unnecessary and an overuse of antibiotic.
Treating these cows with hormones is unlikely to do much good (the infection doesn't become 'trapped' behind the cervix) and the public do not like us giving cows hormones unnecessarily - nor do I.
Iodine is interesting - there are some papers showing that it can be effective in terms of treatment, but others have found it can damage the uterus and lead to increased time to conception.
The solution to endometritis is prevention not treatment. The answer is absolutely NOT to over treat early cases that would self cure. There is no evidence that early treatment males any difference to reproductive performance (there is some disparity in how much treatment helps affected cows).
Were I do regular (weekly/fortnightly) routines I leave a lot of mild whites (grades 1 and some 2's) cases at 14 ish days until the next visit and the cure rate is as good as when I treat them. I treat a hell of a lot less of these cows now and the results are just as good.
Just because you are doing something and seeing an effect - it doesn't mean that your treatment affected the outcome!
Sylution
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Very interesting to hear people's different ways of treating these cows. Personally I do nothing except check cows temp for a few days after calving and exnel any cows with temperature. Never have vets out for fertility work, cows should cycle naturally and any that don't barren. After few years of this I have much less problrms. Some cows that have had tough calving or twins just need more time to clense and come back cycling. Its just nature's way of giving the cow time to heal. I pd with Nmr, before then did not pd about 2 empty drys per year.
Just my oppinion, and I am offten wrong. But having to get cows cycling with hormones to get a 365cycle is not a fertile cow.
Just my oppinion, and I am offten wrong. But having to get cows cycling with hormones to get a 365cycle is not a fertile cow.
She may still be more productive though.
Sylution
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Yes I agree. But you should not be breeding replacements from these cows then. Because the hormones mask the natural fertility of the animal.