Scaremongering social media vets.

emd · Oct 23, 2016

Again we need to keep an open mind. Granted antibiotics will work all the time, for now. You can keep using and over using but at some point a new idea, and new approach will be needed.

America buying uk antibiotic free pig meat is not for fun.

It is easy to slay a product that the vets a worried will take some of there business. But even they at some point will need to find products that can aid animal or human health that the general public will be happy to consume in some way. Unless of coarse they think we should all eat vegetables.

I think it is essential we keep all antibiotics, they are vital. But they are not the only answer. Vets must do as much as possible to find ways to stop problems before they start.

Homeopathy has a place for that. Anything that can help some one or thing feel better, with out antibiotics must be a good thing.

I have done my own trials with homeopathy, and believe me when I say I used to think it was nonsense. But it definitely help.

Just my opinions. Not trying to step on anyone's toes.

Clay52 · Oct 23, 2016

emd said:
Perhaps you just don't like the idea of a cheaper alternative to over subscribed medicines which require a subscription and an expensive consultation, which is now so overused it is going to be even harder to use and more expensive. It could well be a potential threat to humans because of over use.

There may possibly be a place for such products in the future simply because of over use of conventional medicine.

I have seen sheep and pigs cured/ helped of some conditions with just using homeopathy product. I would not like to see conventional medicine disappear at all in the future but if vets can't start to open up to other ideas then I fear we yet again as farmers we will lose out.

So please have a slightly more open mind.

If your mind is open enough to believe in homeopathy your brain has a good chance of falling out.

It has been proven not to work and there is no plausible reason why it ever could work in the first place.

It is not a cheaper alternative because it does nothing.

Antibotic use needs to be tightened, we know that but that is not an argument to say something equivalent to magic should be used instead.

Coldbrook · Oct 24, 2016

Clay52 said:
If your mind is open enough to believe in homeopathy your brain has a good chance of falling out.

It has been proven not to work and there is no plausible reason why it ever could work in the first place.

It is not a cheaper alternative because it does nothing.

Antibotic use needs to be tightened, we know that but that is not an argument to say something equivalent to magic should be used instead.

Please explain acupuncture?

It was already broken. · Oct 24, 2016

Coldbrook said:
Please explain acupuncture?

Yes go on! Explain that!

And poltergeists, and UFO's, and God, and how to make a profit from sheep

Clay52 · Oct 24, 2016

Coldbrook said:
Please explain acupuncture?

First let's just say nothing I say, no study or reason is likely to change the mind of the believers.

Reasearch shows acupuncture doesn't work.

There are no different outcomes in acupuncture vs fake acupunture( randomly poked with toothpicks)

No difference is between acupunture from a trained person vs randomly poking with needles.

It's another placebo effect. Because of the needles and the drama of acupunture it elicits a greater imaginary placebo effect.

Before annoyone mentions acupunture on animals. Those study's done had serious flaws that allowed for the placebo effect of the person doing the study and often done without controls.

roscoe erf · Oct 24, 2016

It was already broken. said:
Yes go on! Explain that!

And poltergeists, and UFO's, and God, and how to make a profit from sheep

the first 3 are easy

Coldbrook · Oct 24, 2016

Yet it's available on the NHS ,this wouldn't be the case if it was just a placebo. We as a civilisation have not reached a point where we know everything and just because we can't explain why something works it therefore can't work is plain arrogant. Who knows one day sheep farmers might make a profit.

Clay52 · Oct 24, 2016

Coldbrook said:
Yet it's available on the NHS ,this wouldn't be the case if it was just a placebo. We as a civilisation have not reached a point where we know everything and just because we can't explain why something works it therefore can't work is plain arrogant. Who knows one day sheep farmers might make a profit.

Like I said nothing changes the mind of the believers.

For example here you are trying to suggest because we don't know everything therefore acupunture must work.

Problem is we can explain acupunture. It doesn't work, it's nothing more that elaborate placebo effect, there is no actual effect and therefore nothing to explain.

It's difficult to perform blinded contolled studies for acupunture because it's hard to blind getting needles stuck into you vs not. That's why it is so easy to perform bad research and pass the placebo effect of as acupunture working.

Dman2 · Oct 24, 2016

Dman2 said:
Did you share this diagnosis on Facebook?
Would be good to get it circulated amongst the people in this area
What is your Facebook name
Pm me if you want

P's
On hold at mo and working off a phone so not easy to copy and paste text

That should have said on hols at mo

mo! · Oct 24, 2016

Clay52 said:
Like I said nothing changes the mind of the believers.

For example here you are trying to suggest because we don't know everything therefore acupunture must work.

Problem is we can explain acupunture. It doesn't work, it's nothing more that elaborate placebo effect, there is no actual effect and therefore nothing to explain.

It's difficult to perform blinded contolled studies for acupunture because it's hard to blind getting needles stuck into you vs not. That's why it is so easy to perform bad research and pass the placebo effect of as acupunture working.

Acupuncture is difficult as it *does* work. It is no more effective than a placebo, but placebos do work. There are probably safer placebos though.

For anyone wanting homeopathic remedies I am able to supply anything you want in standard volumes from 500ml, 1l, 25l up to IBC size. Excellent prices, discreet packaging so that nobody realises that you are an idiot. Payment into my Nigerian bank account. I have been experiencing problems so I will need your details first. I hope this does not fall foul of forum advertising rules as it is completely made up. Just like homeopathy.

llamedos · Oct 24, 2016

from 2014 http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/ne...or_to_come_forward/?ref=var_0#comments-anchor

Nearly · Oct 24, 2016

Dman2 said:
That should have said on hols at mo

Glad you've got an alibi for this vicious attack then.

Henarar · Oct 24, 2016

bovine said:
If you click through to their website you see one of their vets is a 'qualified' homeopath...........

perhaps someone should ask to see that qualification

Nearly · Oct 24, 2016

back to the 'injured' cow.
one of the posters on there is a Mr Kenny, talking about 'our cow', so I assume/hope he's seen the rest of the posts and has kept his cow (and calf) in the shed over the weekend.

Clay52 · Oct 24, 2016

mo! said:
Acupuncture is difficult as it *does* work. It is no more effective than a placebo, but placebos do work. There are probably safer placebos though.

For anyone wanting homeopathic remedies I am able to supply anything you want in standard volumes from 500ml, 1l, 25l up to IBC size. Excellent prices, discreet packaging so that nobody realises that you are an idiot. Payment into my Nigerian bank account. I have been experiencing problems so I will need your details first. I hope this does not fall foul of forum advertising rules as it is completely made up. Just like homeopathy.

The thing is placebo effects generally aren't real effects. It's mostly confirmation bias.

I did acupunture and my back was better in a 48 hours Vs without acupunture it's better in 2 days.

Netherfield · Oct 24, 2016

Princess Pooper said:
All vets have to learn and that is the important bit - I know in our practice they are mentored by a senior vet in their first year and I have no problem in them admitting if they don't know what the problem is and call for a second opinion as long as we don't have to bear the cost! Far rather them do that than blagg their way through if they haven't a clue. I think if they put a post like that up on facebook they would be sacked by the practice owner!

Julian Norton,one of the 'Yorkshire Vets' at the old Herriot practice has written a small article in the Dalesman magazine, one thing he states is that young vets nowadays are not getting enough experience on the farm, when he started out he was going to 10 farms a day and seeing a great mix of animals and ailments, these days it's more like 10 times a week.

At least the vets in our local got plenty of practice, and bollockings from my dad.

Paddington · Oct 24, 2016

Knew a GP whose practice was rather ethnically diverse including a lot of Arab patients. Male Arabs on being diagnosed with some malady and being prescribed medication in the form of tablets would ask if there was an alternative injection ? Don't know if it was a macho thing but they reckoned getting a needle was more efficacious than a tablet.

Coldbrook · Oct 24, 2016

Clay52 said:
The thing is placebo effects generally aren't real effects. It's mostly confirmation bias.

I did acupunture and my back was better in a 48 hours Vs without acupunture it's better in 2 days.

Then why is it available on the NHS, obviously you know far more than the doctors and scientists who work for NHS. Even surgery is carried out using acupuncture instead of anaesthetic. I fully understand that the success rate is not 100% but what medicine has a 100% success rate. Hope you back is better.

Clay52 · Oct 24, 2016

Coldbrook said:
Then why is it available on the NHS, obviously you know far more than the doctors and scientists who work for NHS. Even surgery is carried out using acupuncture instead of anaesthetic. I fully understand that the success rate is not 100% but what medicine has a 100% success rate. Hope you back is better.

If you actually look many and most scientists are saying it shouldn't be included on NHS. I am not saying I know more than scientists. I get my information from scientis that study this stuff for a living.

Saying that conventional medicine does not have 100% success rate isn't an argument to use something with zero success rate.

Coldbrook · Oct 24, 2016

Clay52 said:
If you actually look many and most scientists are saying it shouldn't be included on NHS. I am not saying I know more than scientists. I get my information from scientis that study this stuff for a living.

Saying that conventional medicine does not have 100% success rate isn't an argument to use something with zero success rate.

I know there are strong cases at the moment against homeopathy because of that case where the 4 yr old child died but acupuncture does not have a zero success rate ,which you claim, therefore should be available.

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