Should we have 1 Classic Class, or would you like 2 ?

would you like to see the Classic class remain as it is or split up into 2 classes,

  • I like it as it is and dont want change

  • Yes i think 2 Classic classes would be a better option for the ploughmen in that class

  • I just dont know

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Fergie Ploughman

Fergie Ploughman

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Location
Cheshire, UK
I don't know enough about the differences between whole work, broken furrow, Duncan's, RWM, Bonning, TCN, etc.... but all I'm thinking here is how the heck are you going to get this work at a local match level. Even some of the qualifying matches are very poorly run, how do you police all this so the right people go in the right class? How do local matches expect to fund extra classic classes needing two sets of prize money? It all sounds well and good for a national competition, where there are numerous experts both in and around the competion.....but at your local YFC match?? They struggle to put a classic class on, and when they do it's the same two/three winning. I do matches in Cheshire, yorks, lancs, derbys, staffs, Warwickshire, etc and they vary dramatically...but all good matches in their own ways.

I suppose one way of looking at it is to just let all the boards of that era in and see who wins! The best man will always come to the top and if you blame your tackle then you need to upgrade if you want to win/keep winning. I like the vintage but part of the reason I'm in it is because I can use the tractor I like, it's not all about the ploughing for me. I often toy with classic, but only really because I quite like the idea of using a nice MF 148 multi-power! Maybe to keep the "ploughing" interest, we need to think about what tractors you can use....not just the style of boards fitted.....just my opinion of course...
 
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Roy Stokes

Roy Stokes

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Location
East Shropshire
Fergie Ploughman said:
Even some of the qualifying matches are very poorly run, how do you police all this so the right people go in e right class? How do local matches expect to fund extra classic classes needing two sets of prize money? It all sounds well and good for a national competition, where there are numerous experts both in and around the completion.....but at your local YFC match?? They struggle to put a classic class on, and when they do it's the same two/three winning. I do matches in Cheshire, yorks, lancs, derbys, staffs, Warwickshire, etc and they vary dramatically...but all good matches in their own ways.
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I think the idea is that at local level one classic containing both types of work would run, if that match were a qualifier then the top semi digger man and the top whole work man would be put through, this in itself presents certain problems, not least the scenario that on the right day a ploughman/woman comes in say 7th or 8th but he has the type of board that not many other competitors are using and he/she qualifies to plough at national level in front of 6/7 better ploughmen/women,
We might then end up with ploughmen/women competing at national level without the skills of those unable to qualify
 
Petetheploughman

Petetheploughman

Member
Location
The West Country
Fergie Ploughman said:
I don't know enough about the differences between whole work, broken furrow, Duncan's, RWM, Bonning, TCN, etc.... but all I'm thinking here is how the heck are you going to get this work at a local match level. Even some of the qualifying matches are very poorly run, how do you police all this so the right people go in e right class? How do local matches expect to fund extra classic classes needing two sets of prize money? It all sounds well and good for a national competition, where there are numerous experts both in and around the completion.....but at your local YFC match?? They struggle to put a classic class on, and when they do it's the same two/three winning. I do matches in Cheshire, yorks, lancs, derbys, staffs, Warwickshire, etc and they vary dramatically...but all good matches in their own ways.

I suppose one way of looking at it is to just let all the boards of that era in and see who wins! The best man will always come to the top and if you blame your tackle then you need to upgrade if you want to win/keep winning. I like the vintage but part of the reason I'm in it is because I can use the tractor I like, it's not all about the ploughing for me. I often toy with classic, but only really because I quite like the idea of using a nice MF 148 multi-power! Maybe to keep the "ploughing" interest, we need to think about what tractors you can use....not just the style of boards fitted.....just my opinion of course...
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I agree some of the qualifier matches are poorly run and badly thought out as at one a few weeks back the classic and vintage class had big reversible tractors doing demonstrations driving over the ends of the qualifier plots. This would be understandable if there wasn't enough room but there was. They could have been put at the top of the field where there was nobody ploughing.
 
rusty nuts

rusty nuts

Member
This will upset some peaple but i would not let anybody plough in a qualifier who had not won a first at a ploughing match . Because you can get next to somebody who has no idea what they are doing .I had one once when it came to ploughing up to him he was 2 metres out . At one this year next to a winner i was 1 inch out .
 
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Pennine Ploughing

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Mixed Farmer
Location
200 miles N,NW of New York
rusty nuts said:
This will upset some peaple but i would not let anybody plough in a qualifier who had not won a first at a ploughing match . Because you can get next to somebody who has no idea what they are doing .I had one once when it came to ploughing up to him he was 2 metres out . At one this year next to a winner i was 1 inch out .
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2 meters out? i was at a match years ago, and a man drove to his next doors poles on the split
 
arcobob

arcobob

Member
Location
Norfolk
rusty nuts said:
This will upset some peaple but i would not let anybody plough in a qualifier who had not won a first at a ploughing match . Because you can get next to somebody who has no idea what they are doing .I had one once when it came to ploughing up to him he was 2 metres out . At one this year next to a winner i was 1 inch out .
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I once had a bad experience when it turned out that my neighbour had no poles and could not see the peg at the other end because of a hump. I had a strong suspicion that he was a plant and this was later confirmed on overhearing a conversation. I lent him a pole and he made the inevitable mess and the judges allowed me to put my poles up again. Thus the plotters were thwarted but it shows what can happen when a joker is introduced and the plots are not drawn.
 
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Sprayer

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Location
South Derbyshire
ploughman61 said:
Having spoken to several directors this week , if they make any changes it will open a whole can of worms, so they seem happy to leave things as they are, if it isn't broke don't fix.it.
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When is decision day, is it at the Directors meeting or do the members get to discuss it at the AGM and will it be voted on at the AGM and proxy votes used ?
 
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Pennine Ploughing

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
200 miles N,NW of New York
well as over a week has past and no one has posted an up date, I waited to see if anyone or a director would of replied.



it was brought up at the meeting last week, it was felt that the general opinion of the ploughmen, and more so the classic ploughmen wanted it left as it is, so it will be left as it is for now, whether it will be brought up again is anyone's guess,

as for some of you thinking it that there is some secrecy of what goes on at the directors meeting, i did ask about this a week or so before the meeting, and said it does not seem to give the ploughmen access to any info of the meeting,
it was given out at the meeting, that the directors should talk more to ploughmen about what things are proposed and get a feeling of the ploughmen thoughts are on any proposals before the meeting,

so those of you that feel in the dark, please talk to your local director for any info you need,
 

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