Correct. Best post on this thread.
Whitworths Mill
- Thread starter warksfarmer
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warksfarmer
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So in our example then it would be £15/t loss to you?
And if your paying £13/t for 10,000t per year why not build your own top spec stores and write them off over 10 years as you’ll be quids in.
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
A new store is a very serious proposition and one that I am looking at.
My point was that a £5 claim is actually quite reasonable compared to the cost and losses elsewhere.
And the mills know it ...
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Yeah its uncanny how they pitch the value of the claim at a level that makes redirecting the load uneconomic. ...Did I say uncanny or crooked?
warksfarmer
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Google says that 5 million tonnes are milled per year in the UK.
If there’s a claim on half of it at an average claim price of say £5/t then that’s a cool 25 mill back into the millers pots every single year.
Nice sideline business isn’t it especially if those so called claims are made up. I can just see the headlines now ...... Uk milling industry stealing from taxpayers ......
They do it to milk producers too . little claims x millions of litres . # quidsin
- Location
- Yorks
Agree about the vacuum spear. It really shows with admixture in beans.
I don't think vacuum samplers should be allowed.
2.5million x £5 = £12.5m
what your forgetting is that it might just be you the farmer, not the miller, who is stealing by supplying him with chaff, straw, unthreshed ears, sweepings etc and not starch which he is buying for £750million per year
what your forgetting is that it might just be you the farmer, not the miller, who is stealing by supplying him with chaff, straw, unthreshed ears, sweepings etc and not starch which he is buying for £750million per year
warksfarmer
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If we’d had any test results close to their figure then fair enough but for the first year in a long time we haven’t and their test was 100% different over our average.
We’ve sent our retained sample off and I’ll post up the result good or bad.
think this thread has gone full circle. agreed its very annoying. let us know how it goes. consolation is that mills will refund the claim if independent is in your favour so alls not lost yet
Not much disincentive. Perhaps it flags up on their ACCS inspection :haha:
From the other side when I met the maltsters they wanted to know why farmers and merchants were so crooked always trying it on with off spec product.
The contract was clear deliver what we want.
The penalties no way compensated for the inconvenience of dealing with off spec product according to them.
Their sampling could not be questioned as the whole process relied on its accuracy.
I sent 6 samples from the same bucket sampled from 100 tonnes to three different merchants.
The results varied by 0.6 on moisture 0.1 on nitrogen etc etc.
Could not say there was a difference between merchants and the delivered loads then tested within these bands.
The accuracy of these test is 100% right for the sample but is +/- something for the load.
However I am sure if we say there should be margins say no claim on a 15% moisture contract till 15.4 they will just drop the contract to 14.5 and we will be worse off.
In fact malting contracts have done this already.
The contract was clear deliver what we want.
The penalties no way compensated for the inconvenience of dealing with off spec product according to them.
Their sampling could not be questioned as the whole process relied on its accuracy.
I sent 6 samples from the same bucket sampled from 100 tonnes to three different merchants.
The results varied by 0.6 on moisture 0.1 on nitrogen etc etc.
Could not say there was a difference between merchants and the delivered loads then tested within these bands.
The accuracy of these test is 100% right for the sample but is +/- something for the load.
However I am sure if we say there should be margins say no claim on a 15% moisture contract till 15.4 they will just drop the contract to 14.5 and we will be worse off.
In fact malting contracts have done this already.
Derky
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- Location
- Bucks/oxon
Most samplers use only a vacuum to suck the product through not the sample bit in the lorry. The sample is taken as the spear is pushed into the lorry then as its lifted the suck starts.
http://www.pfeuffer.com/rakoraf-che.html
http://www.pfeuffer.com/rakoraf-che.html
warksfarmer
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Said I’d update this ...... two tests done. One came back under the first test of 4.2% whilst the other came back more. So we’ve got to take this on the chin.
The point of this thread still stands though that this is an area not policed properly.
The point of this thread still stands though that this is an area not policed properly.
Well done for admitting it in public and well done for testing them.
I just think there are more screenings this year.
FWIW, my two claims at £2 and £3 for 4.8% and 5.8% were eventually moderated some in the grain buyer's office.
The original claim notice is automatically sent (at 11pm) and they are reviewed in grain office apparently
FWIW, my two claims at £2 and £3 for 4.8% and 5.8% were eventually moderated some in the grain buyer's office.
The original claim notice is automatically sent (at 11pm) and they are reviewed in grain office apparently
ZXR17
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- Location
- South Dorset
Excuse my ignorance over this. Are the screenings percentage quoted small grains or admixture or both?
- Location
- Huntingdon