Mr Dyson is cleaning up..!

Henarar · Feb 22, 2018

200 acres +

GrimmReaper · Feb 22, 2018

Princess Pooper is half right.
It was my life's ambition to become a farmer, and I finally made enough money (outside farming) to buy a small 180 acre farm at the age of 45, but to about half my neighbours I will never be a "proper" farmer. In their eyes I also have no right to take on contract farming agreements or FBT's either. Why would I want to do that? They should be reserved for real farmers!
I have to say though that the other 50% are very supportive, so it's wrong to generalise.

unlacedgecko · Feb 22, 2018

Henarar said:
200 acres +

200 acres of heather hill or 200 acres of grade 1 arable land?

digger64 · Feb 22, 2018

yellow belly said:
if any business owning person passes on the business to there chilApr n the transfer is iht exempt
Dyson does not need to buy a farm business to do this he can qulfiy for iht relief on any business he owns farms are not unique in this

I think there is a difference between a business / Ltd Co. ,and real estate property in the eyes of the revenue which is were apr becomes relavent but I' m not sure

glasshouse · Feb 22, 2018

Well if this was happening in france or ireland there would be blood on the streets, it just shows how hopeless things are in england.

Princess Pooper said:
Why do I feel strongly about this? It's some of the larger farmers who give people from outside farming the opportunities. Not to own a farm, but to have a prolonged and satisfying career in farming, perhaps as a manager with substantial opportunities, or another valued member of a team. Some of us know when we are growing up that because Daddy does not have a farm,owned or rented, then it is a lot harder to get into the industry. It is getting easier to get farm work now as so few want to do it, but when I and my brothers were growing up, for those of us who wanted to work in the industry, it was much harder unless you came from a farming family. We did find work and became valued team members on much larger than average units, where they invested in us with training and personal development. They also had businesses outside of farming and a much broader view of the world. Coming from a hard-up family whose parents couldn't even afford to buy a house until well into their 40's, the chance of getting our own farm was pretty slim. So thank God that people like James Dyson are prepared to invest their hard earned money into the industry, even if it is for tax reasons, there is a real interest and commitment behind it.

And do you not see the connection between the likes of dyson buying up all the assets and your inability to purchase any assets?
In france land ownership is strictly controlled and land costs a fifth of uk values.

Condi said:
Some of the posts on this thread are a disgusting advert for the people and attitudes both on this forum, and reflective of agriculture as a whole.

To be jealous of success reflects poorly on the poster. It comes across as bitter and resentful. Especially so when most of the people on here collect some of the 3 billion pounds (just let that figure sink in... £3 BILLION) of public money which is given away every year, the majority simply for owning land worth millions in the first place. Can you imagine what the average man in the street would think, that these rich and publicly funded farmers are complaining that someone from outside is audacious enough to enter the industry using their own, self made money.... It feels a bit like the publicly funded mafia trying to keep outsiders away so he doesnt take some of their money.

As someone else has said, not all of us are lucky enough to be born with a silver spoon, sorry farm.

Nobody has the right to farm, equally nobody should be prevented from farming if they are able to do so. Dyson has the means to do so because he's been successful elsewhere, and who cares if he using the land as a tax dodge, or to make a profit (FYI it is very firmly the latter - I know that), but what business is it of anyone else anyway?

This thread makes me genuinely sad, its very disappointing and yet another terrible advert for the industry. We should celebrate success, not deride it.

Just because someone questions the wisdom of a farmland free for all does not make them jealous or resentful.
Are we not able to debate the subject without namecalling?

glasshouse · Feb 22, 2018

We have a similiar problem in scotland where polson is buying half the country and wants to put wolves on it.

Philip Watkins · Feb 22, 2018

Rowland said:
What size would be classified as greed

Anything over about 8 acres probably

Henarar · Feb 23, 2018

glasshouse said:
Just because someone questions the wisdom of a farmland free for all does not make them jealous or resentful.

Here bloody Here to that

Henarar · Feb 23, 2018

Philip Watkins said:
Anything over about 8 acres probably

yes you are right many make a good living of that so it may well be greedy to have more
I would set the bar higher than that myself but I take your point

Turra farmer · Feb 23, 2018

Henarar said:
He don't want the land he don't need the land he is just hiding his money
Greedy bugger

He is just protecting his money from IHT , so that the government doesn't take half of it away

Henarar · Feb 23, 2018

Turra farmer said:
He is just protecting his money from IHT , so that the government doesn't take half of it away

I don't care about his money that's not the point nor is the tax

Turra farmer · Feb 23, 2018

Henarar said:
I don't care about his money that's not the point nor is the tax

He obviously wants it or he wouldn't buy it ,

Henarar · Feb 23, 2018

Turra farmer said:
He obviously wants it or he wouldn't buy it ,

well yes those with a greed for something usually do want it

Estate fencing. · Feb 23, 2018

Owning large estates in nothing new, the rich have always put there money into land.
I think it is wrong people saying that he shouldn't do it just because he wasn't born a farmer and want be doing the work himself, he will bring good people in to work for him doing good job.
I personally think the big farms around me do a much better job with better welfare and cleaner healthier arable crops than the small one man bands. They can afford to spend on improving the job and aren't stuck in there ways, but that just my opinion.

Kiwi Pete · Feb 23, 2018

You need to be "rich" to buy any land, to be fair!
Whether that's 50 acres or 5000, the investment puts you in the top percentile of wealth (in global terms) so what difference is there?

Other than, he owns more than us, which is obviously why folk have a problem with him... how much of this money has come from abroad, does anyone know, or even care?
Good on him, plenty of individuals owned tens of thousands of acres here before the war, and it was then chopped up into little 400-700 acre blocks to give the diggers something to do when they returned from service... people succeed based on their merits.

SLA · Feb 23, 2018

I think Mr.Dyson would get more support if he was making money in his farming, cant remember how many millions he said he had lost in an interview. Yes I'm sure its a convenient loss but it does grate slightly.
If I ever was in the position to buy land I would always remember how hard it was to get started and do whatever I could to help others even if it was just providing an apprenticeship.
These things seem to go in cycles so hopefully in a couple of generations there will be more opportunities for everyone.

DrWazzock · Feb 23, 2018

The argument for me is purely about the loss of opportunity for small independent farmers to get into the industry. I couldn't care less how much money Mr Dyson has or what his tax problems are.

I also find it strategically risky for the country as a whole to put all their eggs in a few large baskets. What happens if he sells out to the Chinese and they bring their own staff over. Won't be so cosy then for all the hangers on just like it wasn't so cosy for his British workers when he moved his manufacturing plant to Malaysia.

This thread shows everything that is wrong about modern capitalism. A couldn't care less attitude for the well being of ones fellow men.

Hilly · Feb 23, 2018

DrWazzock said:
The argument for me is purely about the loss of opportunity for small independent farmers to get into the industry. I couldn't care less how much money Mr Dyson has or what his tax problems are.

I also find it strategically risky for the country as a whole to put all their eggs in a few large baskets. What happens if he sells out to the Chinese and they bring their own staff over. Won't be so cosy then for all the hangers on just like it wasn't so cosy for his British workers when he moved his manufacturing plant to Malaysia.

This thread shows everything that is wrong about modern capitalism. A couldn't care less attitude for the well being of ones fellow men.

Its all been don before, never lasts long term, so nothing to worry about.

Fraserb · Feb 23, 2018

It would be interesting to know how many acres to an employee he has, there's probably a fair few people making a living from him that wouldn't be in a lot of other situations.

Hilly · Feb 23, 2018

My neighbour is repudiated to be a billionaire, she employees 3 full time list of part time, pays them well they boast about the pay and conditions so must be good ! spends a small fortune on the place if i owned that farm i wouldnt employ anyone so shes better owner than i would be !! same will go for dyson better him than some scruffy straw chewer stuck in a rut in the past.Well done Mr Dyson we need more of you in the uk drag the knuckle dragers out their caves and out the dark ages.

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