T3 Earwash 2018

fudge · Jun 13, 2018

Everyone else is putting 0.6 of teb on. I’d would not bother with mancozeb I seem to remember it’s a horrible dusty material, seem to think some people resorted to premixing it in a dustbin. I just shoved in the top of the sprayer with my fingers crossed. Did an ok job but no better than straight teb imo.

e3120 · Jun 13, 2018

0.5 Teb and top-up of bittersaltz yesterday. Wasn't going to bother as there's been next to no rain for 6 weeks, but forecast changed my mind. 4-spray fung programme totals just over 50 quid (no SDHI) so seemed petty to take the risk.

Try to succeed · Jun 13, 2018

fudge said:
Everyone else is putting 0.6 of teb on. I’d would not bother with mancozeb I seem to remember it’s a horrible dusty material, seem to think some people resorted to premixing it in a dustbin. I just shoved in the top of the sprayer with my fingers crossed. Did an ok job but no better than straight teb imo.

Yes very dusty. Can’t move the bag without it filling the air. These wheats seem to look more promising than they did 2 weeks ago. Very pleased with the look of my gravity and kerrin. Look v clean so think I may drop the mancozeb and have a little trial!

Hereward · Jun 15, 2018

T3's going on today, 0.75 tebuconazole, mostly for late rust protection than anything else, timing for optimum fusarium missed but the T2 was more a head and shoulders treatment.

Colin · Jun 16, 2018

Try to succeed said:
Yes very dusty. Can’t move the bag without it filling the air. These wheats seem to look more promising than they did 2 weeks ago. Very pleased with the look of my gravity and kerrin. Look v clean so think I may drop the mancozeb and have a little trial!

You can get granular mancozeb or liquid. Use lots on spuds.

Wombat · Jun 16, 2018

Considering skipping T3, caught a lot of ears with a late T2 but so little rain I cannot see any real disease to worry about

David. · Jun 16, 2018

Surely it is a long time 'till harvest yet, and rust at the 11th hour is very destructive. I shall still go Teb for this reason, even though it has remained dry thus far during flowering.
What is Tubosan harvest interval off the top of anyones head, please?

Wombat · Jun 16, 2018

David. said:
Surely it is a long time 'till harvest yet, and rust at the 11th hour is very destructive. I shall still go Teb for this reason, even though it has remained dry thus far during flowering.
What is Tubosan harvest interval off the top of anyones head, please?

It's been dry for a long time here, we keep getting the odd mm here or there but the last rain event of over 10mm was back on the 12 th May so at the moment I am not seeing a need. Will keep an eye but it looks like we might only get a mm today then it's back to dry

Fish · Jun 16, 2018

Haven't bothered here, all the wheat is passed flowering so far to late an how.
With 4 green leaves, no disease and dry weather, I see no point in a t3.

Wombat · Jun 16, 2018

Fish said:
Haven't bothered here, all the wheat is passed flowering so far to late an how.
With 4 green leaves, no disease and dry weather, I see no point in a t3.

Think we are under 38mm since May 1 so as above I don't see a need at the mo

Andy26 · Jun 16, 2018

David. said:
What is Tubosan harvest interval off the top of anyones head, please?

Grain watery wipe, GS71, the same as Folicur.

Andy26 · Jun 16, 2018

David. said:
Surely it is a long time 'till harvest yet, and rust at the 11th hour is very destructive.

Yes lots of Yellow rust where ever the T1 or T2 fungicides have missed and conditions will now switch over to Brown Rust, if its been much more than twenty days since the last fungicide than any protectant activity is likely to be lost.

Wombat · Jun 16, 2018

Andy26 said:
Yes lots of Yellow rust where ever the T1 or T2 fungicides have missed and conditions will now switch over to Brown Rust, if its been much more than twenty days since the last fungicide than any protectant activity is likely to be lost.

Have you had a bit more rain than we have further north?

Andy26 · Jun 16, 2018

Wombat said:
Have you had a bit more rain than we have further north?

Probably not, dry warm and windy days, dewy nights very conducive to brown rust.

Pictured below an unsprayable field corner.

Bobthebuilder · Jun 16, 2018

bone dry here only been a couple of mm in the past month, wheat looking clean so next spray may be roundup unless we put some foliar feed on the skyfall

4course · Jun 16, 2018

3/4 of the sdhi returned was to mix with azole, hard to justify versus any possible increase in yield over cost, crops are clean now and moisture is going to be the limiting yield factor. Mid flowering so will settle for a reasonable rate teb plus foliar feed mainly to keep the ear clean

4course · Jun 16, 2018

reckon weve not spent this season somewhere in the region of@£25 acre plus less in comparison( basically gone back to old chemistry ) on fungicide etc to last few years, a proportion of that is due to our agronomist not going daft and realising/ accepting we are not going to spend without good reason. Another proportion is down to its hard to justify spend when f all there to spend it on either crop or disease,. and then a bit due to our policy of applying foliar feed which im convinced helps to reduce disease pressure along with a better return than some chems.Time will tell if our strategy( now theres a buss word) is correct but atm im watching our crops just in case we need a late fungi but even if we do its not going to be a game breaker

Farmer Roy · Jun 18, 2018

farmers seem to spend so much of their time just killing things . . .

an explosion or overpopulation of any organism shows that the system is out of balance

I keep reading about direct drilling on tff - people who say it will save the world & others who say it doesn't work
both are wrong
however, I also keep reading about the sheer quantities of fungicides used in uk arable cropping. FUNGICIDES. Just stop & think about that. Stop & think about the many valuable, crucial roles fungi play in soil health, plant health, animal health & ultimately our health. Then lets go do our 4th T2 or whatever its called, or another prophylactic "earwash" spray, just in case
FUNGICIDES . . .
Then they wonder why there are issues with stubble retention, decomposition of organic matter, soil health, compaction, infiltration, water holding capacity, dry weather ( FFS ), slugs etc ????
No point explaining the VITAL role of fungi in soil here - if you don't already know at least something about it you shouldn't be farming
but, the implications spread further than ( just ? ) soil health.
insects can cause big problems in agriculture, yes
guess what ? MOST diseases of insects ( that help to keep their populations in control ) are fungal . . .
so, by using fungicides, not only are there all the negative impacts on soil health, but you are also having an impact on pest insect populations. Slug pellets anyone ??
Sometimes I just read TFF & wonder why ?
WTF ?
And they think they are the BEST, they are the PINNACLE & anyone who suggests there may be different ways, cheaper ways, more effective ways, regenerative ways, is just some greeny lefty hippy with no idea, intent on destroying them, or some jealous foreign competitor who obviously isn't as productive as them & needs to belittle them as much as possible because they cant compete on yield or whatever dick waving measure they use
TBH - ive had a gutfull of the self righteousness, the moaning, the whining, the exceptionalism. From the lot. The ploughers, the DD ( they seem so amateurish & naïve in many ways, bless'em ). All solutions can only be bought, sprayed or spread, from an oilbasedpetrochemicalindustialsyntheticenergyhungry source, reductionist mindset

Flat 10 · Jun 18, 2018

Farmer Roy said:
farmers seem to spend so much of their time just killing things . . .

an explosion or overpopulation of any organism shows that the system is out of balance

I keep reading about direct drilling on tff - people who say it will save the world & others who say it doesn't work
both are wrong
however, I also keep reading about the sheer quantities of fungicides used in uk arable cropping. FUNGICIDES. Just stop & think about that. Stop & think about the many valuable, crucial roles fungi play in soil health, plant health, animal health & ultimately our health. Then lets go do our 4th T2 or whatever its called, or another prophylactic "earwash" spray, just in case
FUNGICIDES . . .
Then they wonder why there are issues with stubble retention, decomposition of organic matter, soil health, compaction, infiltration, water holding capacity, dry weather ( FFS ), slugs etc ????
No point explaining the VITAL role of fungi in soil here - if you don't already know at least something about it you shouldn't be farming
but, the implications spread further than ( just ? ) soil health.
insects can cause big problems in agriculture, yes
guess what ? MOST diseases of insects ( that help to keep their populations in control ) are fungal . . .
so, by using fungicides, not only are there all the negative impacts on soil health, but you are also having an impact on pest insect populations. Slug pellets anyone ??
Sometimes I just read TFF & wonder why ?
WTF ?
And they think they are the BEST, they are the PINNACLE & anyone who suggests there may be different ways, cheaper ways, more effective ways, regenerative ways, is just some greeny lefty hippy with no idea, intent on destroying them, or some jealous foreign competitor who obviously isn't as productive as them & needs to belittle them as much as possible because they cant compete on yield or whatever dick waving measure they use
TBH - ive had a gutfull of the self righteousness, the moaning, the whining, the exceptionalism. From the lot. The ploughers, the DD ( they seem so amateurish & naïve in many ways, bless'em ). All solutions can only be bought, sprayed or spread, from an oilbasedpetrochemicalindustialsyntheticenergyhungry source, reductionist mindset

You make a lot of interesting points, many of which I agree with. I would like to ask how you would farm in Uk conditions please. Organically and direct drilled? Have you ever farmed here? I think you would pretty quickly want to use glyphosate but if you can farm with out fungicides (or even massively reduce them) then hats off to you. I think you might find our climate and land prices/rents a bit tricky. But please do come and have a go, we might all learn something.

SilliamWhale · Jun 18, 2018

Farmer Roy said:
farmers seem to spend so much of their time just killing things . . .

an explosion or overpopulation of any organism shows that the system is out of balance

I keep reading about direct drilling on tff - people who say it will save the world & others who say it doesn't work
both are wrong
however, I also keep reading about the sheer quantities of fungicides used in uk arable cropping. FUNGICIDES. Just stop & think about that. Stop & think about the many valuable, crucial roles fungi play in soil health, plant health, animal health & ultimately our health. Then lets go do our 4th T2 or whatever its called, or another prophylactic "earwash" spray, just in case
FUNGICIDES . . .
Then they wonder why there are issues with stubble retention, decomposition of organic matter, soil health, compaction, infiltration, water holding capacity, dry weather ( FFS ), slugs etc ????
No point explaining the VITAL role of fungi in soil here - if you don't already know at least something about it you shouldn't be farming
but, the implications spread further than ( just ? ) soil health.
insects can cause big problems in agriculture, yes
guess what ? MOST diseases of insects ( that help to keep their populations in control ) are fungal . . .
so, by using fungicides, not only are there all the negative impacts on soil health, but you are also having an impact on pest insect populations. Slug pellets anyone ??
Sometimes I just read TFF & wonder why ?
WTF ?
And they think they are the BEST, they are the PINNACLE & anyone who suggests there may be different ways, cheaper ways, more effective ways, regenerative ways, is just some greeny lefty hippy with no idea, intent on destroying them, or some jealous foreign competitor who obviously isn't as productive as them & needs to belittle them as much as possible because they cant compete on yield or whatever dick waving measure they use
TBH - ive had a gutfull of the self righteousness, the moaning, the whining, the exceptionalism. From the lot. The ploughers, the DD ( they seem so amateurish & naïve in many ways, bless'em ). All solutions can only be bought, sprayed or spread, from an oilbasedpetrochemicalindustialsyntheticenergyhungry source, reductionist mindset

I don't think you do read anyone saying Direct drilling is going to save the world. The rest of your points are a bit moot because although we know fungicides can effect soil fungal life they do very simply pay for themselves in what is a very humid climate.

You can grow grain with less fungicides but you will probably have a trade off. And I've used it all ways- sometimes no fungcides on a crop to using the top performing expensive ones as well. Everything we do in agriculture is a trade off from one place or another

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