Ok thanks for this ... I will contact the company as this is a breach of trades description I believe
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Ok thanks for this ... I will contact the company as this is a breach of trades description I believe
akaPABLO01
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There are a couple of factors first.
1. Pellets used to be cheap until the rhi cut short, the market has levelled out, chip has become dear with not many installs going in recently.
2. The bulk of your costs are for a 5ish month period. Spread over a year the cost becomes manageable.
3. The rhi should also be supporting you but the draw of a new “cheap” heating system swayed your decision with the double glazing salesman.
4. Oil is one of the cheapest but is a volatile market. How much did you annually spend on oil and were you more frugal with this.
5. Does the fact in winter you need to top up the boiler daily have a factor?
6. They should have estimated an annual running cost, does this differ much?
7. Check your loft insulation, should be a minimum 270mm
8. Are your flow and return from boiler to cylinder pipes insulated?
The boiler was fitted 2 and a half years ago...
The costs are off the scale now.. I have solar panels to heat our hot water so in the winter and rainy weeks we have no hot water so boiler is running all year but a lit less in summer. I live in west Wales so we have lots of rain and cloudy days
I do not get the rhi it was done on a scheme that my ex husband done, a company put the boiler in for free and then they get the rhi... then after 7 years the rhi is ours ... but I've just been told that the rhi ends in 7 years
The decision was made as the salesman told us that we would half our heating bills they told us that we were spending a lot in oil and we would be so much better off using the biomass cos they cost next to.nothing to.run ...
When we left oil we were paying 72p a litre I believe it's 54p a litre now but that has gone up a lot as it was 21p a litre a while ago
We have insulation but I believe that it's only 100mm
We also have external cladding from warmer home again another scheme
All pipes are lagged
The costs are off the scale now.. I have solar panels to heat our hot water so in the winter and rainy weeks we have no hot water so boiler is running all year but a lit less in summer. I live in west Wales so we have lots of rain and cloudy days
I do not get the rhi it was done on a scheme that my ex husband done, a company put the boiler in for free and then they get the rhi... then after 7 years the rhi is ours ... but I've just been told that the rhi ends in 7 years
The decision was made as the salesman told us that we would half our heating bills they told us that we were spending a lot in oil and we would be so much better off using the biomass cos they cost next to.nothing to.run ...
When we left oil we were paying 72p a litre I believe it's 54p a litre now but that has gone up a lot as it was 21p a litre a while ago
We have insulation but I believe that it's only 100mm
We also have external cladding from warmer home again another scheme
All pipes are lagged
Dman2
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Maybe its time to get some professional advice
Dman2
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Could be a miss-selling case
farmerm
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Some piwer
did they sell it as after "7 years the RHI is yours" or "after 7 years the boiler is yours"?
"using the biomass cos they cost next to.nothing to.run ... " that is only true if you dont use it, hard to prove it was said though If you want to be warm it is expensive! The cost per kWh of pellets and oil is not vastly different, biomass isnt a magic creator of free energy. If it is working correctly it shouldnt be costing any more than oil was.
You need to read though all the documents they gave you, I doubt there will be written evidence of mis selling but you might get lucky.
Does the install company still exist, a lot of folded not the new install tarrifs have been slashed. My pellet boiler installers have folded but I am the RHI climant and have about reached break even on my install. If there happens to be anything in your contract that would allow it you to so so without penalty, you could threaten to pull the system out if they dont takes measures to compensate you. They cant claim RHI on a decommisioned system.
Also does the boiler get cleaned and serviced? Ash and clinker can drastically reduce boiler efficientcy...
PM me the name of the company and I will do a bit of digging.
I live in the least thermally efficient house ever built. big single glazed sash windows, at least 25% of roof does not have sufficient headspace to allow any loft insulation, nearly every room has 2 external walls and most of downstairs has, in effect, external floors because of the cellars. Whilst most folk put a jacket on to go outside we often find we have to take one off
akaPABLO01
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Im sure it’s still around 72p/ litre which would be 10kWh /litre @ 7.2p/kWh.
If it’s goldfieds that installed they’ve gone bust but still collect rhi.
They have breached MCS loft insulation rules. Minimum insulation is 270mm.
Problem is if you get them to rip it out you’ll need to pay for another oil boiler.
2 choices, ring them and tell them you’ll report them to Ofgem if they don’t put the loft insulation in. Or tell them to rip it out or you’ll report them to Ofgem for breach of rules.
Paying 72p/litre costs more then pellet /kWh which is about 5.5p
Turn it off and don't use it which means they can't claim any rhi. Thats the only way you'll get anywhere with them.
I bought some heating oil last week and it was 53p/l
akaPABLO01
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Lucky you, special price for bulk buy, how many litres?
They automatically receive rhi through the EPC.
Also op check your epc https://www.epcregister.com/reportSearchAddressTerms.html?redirect=reportSearchAddressByPostcode see what level the loft insulation has been put as then measure your own.
Only 2000 litres for a domestic house.
akaPABLO01
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That will last probably 4 months in that particular house with one elderly occupant so the heating is pretty much on all the time at this time of year. The house was renovated completely 20 years ago.
akaPABLO01
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I think the elec without checking on that house is around 13.5p/kwh as its on long term deal. And yes I think when its renovated again within the next few years we will go down ashp route as my brother put one into a barn conversion 18 months ago and that along with some solar panels means he is literally paying nothing extra. His last month elec invoice wasn't even 10 quid in elec used!