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Farage asking foreign politicians to frustrate the democratic will of the UK's sovereign Parliament
- Thread starter Bomber_Harris
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Honest john
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Dear Roger
Our MP’s just don’t have the guts to run a business let alone a kingdom.
If they ran with Brexit they would have to start work or resign.
I am embarrassed that I placed my X in the wrong box in the 2017 GE.
Clever Dic
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Whilst enjoying your informed views I have to counter some of the above..
Referendum being only advisory..that may be the law but not what was promised...was that a lie ?
As for being badly structured the fault for that lies not with the leavers for certain.
If we voted to leave we were told the pound would plummet and not recover,the stock market would do likewise and growth in the economy stop,and an emergency budget would be needed to stop the financial chaos all straightaway...
These were remain lies no getting away from it, and put all over every type of media available.
And they still lost ...
Bomber_Harris
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the pound did plummet (see graph below) and Brexit hasn't been confirmed yet. If it is confirmed, especially in a No-Deal, it will plummet some more
- Bomber
Clever Dic
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It dropped initially and bounced back...
Try comparing growth against eurozone for 2 years after we voted leave !!!
The argument fell totally flat from project fear..that was the biggest lie.
Bomber_Harris
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incidentally, if Farage and certain other MPs are successful in their lobbying certain EU27 countries to refuse May an extension to Article 50, you do realise that will back her into a corner?
and when people are backed into a corner they can become emboldened and do all kinds of crazy sh!t
if an extension request is refused May will have only two options open to her
the first option is to allow a No-Deal WTF to happen (big hooray from many of here but don't get too excited because here's the kicker
the second and only other option open to her is to revoke Article 50 entirely..
and unlike the extension request, May has the power to revoke Article 50 unilaterally
better yet, she doesn't even have to put it to Parliament for a vote
legally, she can send that letter revoking Article 50 any time she likes between now and 11pm 29/3/19 and stop Brexit in its tracks
remind me again, who did May campaign for in the referendum?
so don't get too carried away rooting for Farage to sabotage May's extension request
- Bomber
and when people are backed into a corner they can become emboldened and do all kinds of crazy sh!t
if an extension request is refused May will have only two options open to her
the first option is to allow a No-Deal WTF to happen (big hooray from many of here but don't get too excited because here's the kicker
the second and only other option open to her is to revoke Article 50 entirely..
and unlike the extension request, May has the power to revoke Article 50 unilaterally
better yet, she doesn't even have to put it to Parliament for a vote
legally, she can send that letter revoking Article 50 any time she likes between now and 11pm 29/3/19 and stop Brexit in its tracks
remind me again, who did May campaign for in the referendum?
so don't get too carried away rooting for Farage to sabotage May's extension request
- Bomber
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Clever Dic
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You should try reading a book called Factfullness ...your little graph thing is a perfect example of trying to make a point out of something not there..
The fall from the high point of the pound does look high..
But your reason..talk of Brexit fu...kry is pure fantasy ..you pick a fall and ascribe to it some random reason that suits your argument..
Please post dollar v euro for the same period..
I have just looked and the euro dived at the same time..!!
Cowabunga
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I do not recall any such promise.
The Pound has indeed plummeted over 20% against the Dollar. Growth is indeed substantially below where it would have been and instead of being the highest growth economy in Europe immediately before the referendum, we are now near the bottom.
Of course there were lies. Have a look at the Led by Donkies posters which highlight some of the most blatant. You must live in a sack if you are not aware of them.
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incidentally, if Farage and certain other MPs are successful in their lobbying certain EU27 countries to refuse May an extension to Article 50, you do realise that will back her into a corner?
and when people are backed into a corner they can become emboldened and do all kinds of crazy sh!t
if an extension request is refused May will have only two options open to her
the first option is to allow a No-Deal WTF to happen (big hooray from many of here but don't get too excited because here's the kicker
the second and only other option open to her is to revoke Article 50 entirely..
and unlike the extension request, May has the power to revoke Article 50 unilaterally
better yet, she doesn't even have to put it to Parliament for a vote
legally, she can send that letter revoking Article 50 any time she likes between now and 11pm 29/3/19 and stop Brexit in its tracks
remind me again, who did May campaign for in the referendum?
so don't get too carried away rooting for Farage to sabotage May's extension request
- Bomber
I do hope you're right, but I thought to revoke A50 she had to hold a parliamentary vote?
wanton dwarf
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When I go to work I always do the best I can.
I don't go to work and spend 3 years doing the complete opposite of what I should be doing.
In fact if I acted like Theresa May I'd also be undermining my collegues and putting them out of a job.
Worse, if I acted like Theresa May and David Cameron I'd be putting 10,000s if not 100,000s of people out of work. For example not putting on 250% tariffs on Chinese dumped steel.
But don't worry .. all you have to worry about is cancelling Brexit.
I really don't know what other people think, after all I am not a mind reader. But what I do know is that the majority of people have got higher morals and professionalism than most if not all MPs and probably Lords as well. They will look at how they run their lives, jobs and business and reflect on how politicians fail to run theirs.
I do hope Article 50 cannot be extended and Theresa May does cancel Article 50 .. it will just bring the EU, Parliament and the Lords further into disripute.
Carry on with the farce.
wanton dwarf
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True.
But if it was then the 2008 financial crash would ban Labour from ever being in power.
I'd be very happy that the communist dictators ceased to exist .. bring it on.
Bomber_Harris
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according to an expert on UK constitutional law the PM does have the power to unilaterally revoke A50 without holding a Parliamentary vote
however the same expert believes it would be politically safer to put it to a vote, but in legal terms she doesn't have to
maybe one for new TFF member @House of Commons to confirm?
- Bomber
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The referendum could only ever have been advisory. If it had been put forward as legally binding it would then have subsequently been judged illegal. That's why there is a lot of pressure to have a second legally binding vote carried out in accordance with the law. The pound did fall and hasn't recovered.
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I see Farage has only manage to get 350 supporters for his march to London and has now decided not to do all of it. What a w*nker.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-farage-leave-means-leave-march-1-5941453
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-farage-leave-means-leave-march-1-5941453
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Good if you're right.Don't think so.She didn't need Parliaments approval invoke article 50.
I thought because they'd put leaving on the 29th through Parliament and onto the statute book, they had to vote to undo that, to be able to revoke. I am happy to be wrong.
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Can't be sure, but from the summary of Wightman v Secretary of State:
"It remains to be seen whether this would require the passage of a new Act of Parliament explicitly authorising the power to revoke before a notification, or instead whether such a power is already vested in the Prime Minister by virtue of the EU (Notification) Act 2017".
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I thought one of outcomes of Gina Miller's court case against the UK government was that the UK could only start the Article 50 process with approval from Parliament.Don't think so.
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