New Animal sentiant laws thanks to Boris' squeeze

Y Fan Wen · May 10, 2021

unlacedgecko said:
No they're full aware. "Death by 1000 cuts".

The AR extremists are determined to end any and all human/animal interaction by any means necessary.

The future continues to arrive:
'We are on the cusp of the deepest, fastest, most consequential disruption in food and agricultural production since the first domestication of plants and animals ten thousand years ago. This is primarily a protein disruption driven by economics. The cost of proteins will be five times cheaper by 2030 and 10 times cheaper by 2035 than existing animal proteins, before ultimately approaching the cost of sugar. They will also be superior in every key attribute – more nutritious, healthier, better tasting, and more convenient, with almost unimaginable variety. This means that, by 2030, modern food products will be higher quality and cost less than half as much to produce as the animal-derived products they replace.'

Jackov Altraids · May 10, 2021

unlacedgecko said:
The thin end of the wedge. If this goes through, within 5 years castration tail docking and dehorning will be vet only operations.

Not necessarily a vet, but only with using anaesthetic.
It would be interesting to see whether tagging and belly clipping of live animals would be considered 'reasonable'.
Of course all these 'progressions' make the world less sustainable which is a true crime.

**Edited to point out this is particularly true for the proteins that @Y Fan Wen posted at the same time.**

hoff135 · May 10, 2021

Jackov Altraids said:
Not necessarily a vet, but only with using anaesthetic.
It would be interesting to see whether tagging and belly clipping of live animals would be considered 'reasonable'.
Of course all these 'progressions' make the world less sustainable which is a true crime.

We will obviously all need to go on a course to continue doing what we have always done

Hjcarter · May 10, 2021

Surveyed a hen house with 1000 chuks in it whether they we're OK with going to get slaughtered.

998 said no, 1 said OK on condition she went in a curry and the other one grabbed 12 cans of Stella and said "let's party!!". To be fair I don't think the last one really understood the question.

Jackov Altraids · May 10, 2021

hoff135 said:
We will obviously all need to go on a course to continue doing what we have always done

I did a lambing course to try and learn a few new tricks and the vets asked me to demonstrate the tail docking and castration due to the fact my experience vastly outweighed theirs.

You have to wonder how the effects of this bill could be policed and then you think......RT.....

Henarar · May 10, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
The future continues to arrive:
'We are on the cusp of the deepest, fastest, most consequential disruption in food and agricultural production since the first domestication of plants and animals ten thousand years ago. This is primarily a protein disruption driven by economics. The cost of proteins will be five times cheaper by 2030 and 10 times cheaper by 2035 than existing animal proteins, before ultimately approaching the cost of sugar. They will also be superior in every key attribute – more nutritious, healthier, better tasting, and more convenient, with almost unimaginable variety. This means that, by 2030, modern food products will be higher quality and cost less than half as much to produce as the animal-derived products they replace.'

I bet they are not

Y Fan Wen · May 10, 2021

Henarar said:
I bet they are not

I am guessing that within 18months-2 years we will be able to answer that bet.

Swarfmonkey · May 10, 2021

Sounds likes something Carrie Antoinette would be pushing for.

On the plus side, as most politicians have no backbone they’re not to be considered as sentient.

Henarar · May 10, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
I am guessing that within 18months-2 years we will be able to answer that bet.

No we won't

roscoe erf · May 10, 2021

This is what happens when you let turkeys vote

Jackov Altraids · May 10, 2021

Y Fan Wen said:
The future continues to arrive:
'We are on the cusp of the deepest, fastest, most consequential disruption in food and agricultural production since the first domestication of plants and animals ten thousand years ago. This is primarily a protein disruption driven by economics. The cost of proteins will be five times cheaper by 2030 and 10 times cheaper by 2035 than existing animal proteins, before ultimately approaching the cost of sugar. They will also be superior in every key attribute – more nutritious, healthier, better tasting, and more convenient, with almost unimaginable variety. This means that, by 2030, modern food products will be higher quality and cost less than half as much to produce as the animal-derived products they replace.'

I see you quoted this from https://www.rethinkx.com/

"We would like to extend special thanks to Liz Specht from the Good Food Institute, Rosie Wardle from the Jeremy Coller Foundation, and Bernard Mercer whose invaluable insights and research were key in the development of this report. Special thanks also to Kevin Brennan and the team at Quorn for the visit to their production facility in Billingham, UK, and to Pat Brown and the team at Impossible Foods for the tasting and interview sessions. Thanks also to Ryan Bethencourt (Wild Earth), Alexander Lorestani (Geltor), Ed Maguire, Jeremy Oppenheim, John Elkington, Olga Serhiyevich, Morry Cater and the team at Cater Communications, and the design teams at Arobase Creative and Lokate Design"

All of which have a clear agenda.
They absolutely want this to be right and will try and make it happen. It doesn't mean the good people of this world will let it.

Addendum;

The Good Food Institute is a nonprofit working internationally to accelerate alternative protein innovation.

The Jeremy Coller Foundation | a strategic grant-making organisation, focused on ending factory farming and improving venture and management education.

Bernard Mercer is an independent adviser to funders, NGOs and other organisations on environment issues, principally forests and other terrestrial ecosystems and their role within the climate challenge

WildEarth wants to reunite the world with their birthright which is to be able to live comfortably with the earth and all the animals within it

Geltor is the bio-design company creating high-value designer proteins, including collagen. Its proteins are 100% animal- and GMO-free, and are cultivated using a sustainable fermentation process.

Jackov Altraids · May 10, 2021

Swarfmonkey said:
Sounds likes something Carrie Antoinette would be pushing for.

On the plus side, as most politicians have no backbone they’re not to be considered as sentient.

What have you done Carrie.

hill shepherd · May 10, 2021

unlacedgecko said:
The thin end of the wedge. If this goes through, within 5 years castration tail docking and dehorning will be vet only operations.

I've spent the last few weeks showing vet students how to castrate and dock tails of lambs, are they gonna have do them all in the future for me. Who's going to train the future vets?

unlacedgecko · May 11, 2021

hill shepherd said:
I've spent the last few weeks showing vet students how to castrate and dock tails of lambs, are they gonna have do them all in the future for me. Who's going to train the future vets?

The people proposing legislation like this don’t care. It’s not about improved animal welfare, it’s about putting livestock farmers out of business.

Sid · May 11, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Fully agree with the above, but.......

Would denying an animal proper treatment when it's ill (eg no AB's on an organic system) be treated the same way as parents who deny their children medical treatments on religious grounds?

Nothing to stop you using AB on an organic system if animal is ill.

So what's your point?

You could say treating an animal with a chemical it doesn't need without proof, such as a wormer, is against the welfare of an animal.

Somehow saw a TV show about the best dog groomer one day.
How they were "dressing" up these poor animals was cruelty IMHO

Henarar · May 11, 2021

Sid said:
Nothing to stop you using AB on an organic system if animal is ill.

So what's your point?

You could say treating an animal with a chemical it doesn't need without proof, such as a wormer, is against the welfare of an animal.

Somehow saw a TV show about the best dog groomer one day.
How they were "dressing" up these poor animals was cruelty IMHO

Some organic systems prevent AB use
And he was replying to a post that mentioned imports

Sid · May 11, 2021

Henarar said:
Some organic systems prevent AB use
And he was replying to a post that mentioned imports

No organic system prevents the use of ABs if there is a need.

betweenthelines · May 11, 2021

Parents can be in trouble for refusing medical treatment to their children or for not seeking medical advice when they are ill, so I wondered if a similar criteria was going to apply to livestock in future?

Would failure to call the vet or to treat fully be classed as neglect. Not using AB's was the obvious example.

Seems "organic" farming can be pretty much likened to those people who chose to "opt out" of society but rush to see a Doctor when they're ill. Had a relative lecture me once about all the "drugs" farmers use on their animals-soon stopped when i started chucking her prescription meds in the bin!

unlacedgecko · May 11, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Parents can be in trouble for refusing medical treatment to their children or for not seeking medical advice when they are ill, so I wondered if a similar criteria was going to apply to livestock in future?

Would failure to call the vet or to treat fully be classed as neglect. Not using AB's was the obvious example.

Failure to seek veterinary attention is already an offense.

Jackov Altraids · May 11, 2021

betweenthelines said:
Parents can be in trouble for refusing medical treatment to their children or for not seeking medical advice when they are ill, so I wondered if a similar criteria was going to apply to livestock in future?

Would failure to call the vet or to treat fully be classed as neglect. Not using AB's was the obvious example.

I think you have got this the wrong way around.
What you have suggested is already the case.
The interesting question is whether now a sentient animal has 'the right' to refuse treatment...

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