How much are you planning on investing in the next 20 years?

jackrussell101 · Aug 22, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
have any of you considered switching from dairy to sucklers so you dont need as much staff/infrastructure?

We are but dairy bred beef not sucklers.

But we are on a non-aligned milk contract so not great milk price.

Had our annual sit down with the accountant the other day and he thought we'd be better off going down the beef, sheep and arable route than milking cows.

Beef farmer · Aug 22, 2021

jackrussell101 said:
We are but dairy bred beef not sucklers.

But we are on a non-aligned milk contract so not great milk price.

Had our annual sit down with the accountant the other day and he thought we'd be better off going down the beef, sheep and arable route than milking cows.

At 28ppl?.

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

jackrussell101 said:
We are but dairy bred beef not sucklers.

But we are on a non-aligned milk contract so not great milk price.

Had our annual sit down with the accountant the other day and he thought we'd be better off going down the beef, sheep and arable route than milking cows.

Get a new accountant or decent dairy consultant, when they remove BPS it will be a blood bath for beef and sheep. Things haven't been great for the arable boys either but like all things some of it is self-inflicted.

farmerm · Aug 22, 2021

DairyGrazing said:
Get a new accountant or decent dairy consultant, when they remove BPS it will be a blood bath for beef and sheep. Things haven't been great for the arable boys either but like all things some of it is self-inflicted.

It will be a blood bath all round...

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

farmerm said:
It will be a blood bath all round...

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I get the impression BPS makes up a smaller % of profit in dairying than other sectors.

pappuller · Aug 22, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
have any of you considered switching from dairy to sucklers so you dont need as much staff/infrastructure?

I would grazing management with a lot of sucklers is quite extensive, if some better grazing techniques were implemented to utilise forage more efficiently maybe sucklers would be a more attractive proposition

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

pappuller said:
I would grazing management with a lot of sucklers is quite extensive, if some better grazing techniques were implemented to utilise forage more efficiently maybe sucklers would be a more attractive proposition

In an ideal world i'd have been sucklers and arable when I was young so I could have carried on playing longer then gone dairy later.

I have seen a couple of sets of accounts for profitable suckler farms they had two things in common. Cheap rent/grazing rights and low wintering costs.

Fools Gold · Aug 22, 2021

DairyGrazing said:
In an ideal world i'd have been sucklers and arable when I was young so I could have carried on playing longer then gone dairy later.

I have seen a couple of sets of accounts for profitable suckler farms they had two things in common. Cheap rent/grazing rights and low wintering costs.

I am unable to make any comment on sucker, finishing beef, sheep and arable mixed enterprises but know quite a few round here have hung up the clusters and gone into beef, sheep, arable, none have regretted the decision and up until now seem to have had money to spend.
The next few years could be a blood bath for many sectors dairy included.

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

Fools Gold said:
I am unable to make any comment on sucker, finishing beef, sheep and arable mixed enterprises but know quite a few round here have hung up the clusters and gone into beef, sheep, arable, none have regretted the decision and up until now seem to have had money to spend.
The next few years could be a blood bath for many sectors dairy included.

Goes without saying, one thing that has always stuck in my head was being told you could give some farmers 50ppl and they'd still find away to make a mess of it!

Fools Gold · Aug 22, 2021

DairyGrazing said:
Goes without saying, one thing that has always stuck in my head was being told you could give some farmers 50ppl and they'd still find away to make a mess of it!

That is true but up here in Scotland there’s plenty bloody well run dairy businesses in Aberdeenshire, Moray, the Argyle islands and Kintyre peninsula all gone out of milk due to a lack of a viable milk buyer, plenty tenanted units giving up as landlords are either unwilling or unable to come up with the necessary cash to fund infrastructure to remain compliant and quie a few smaller or more remote units I know of feeling very vulnerable about their future in milk.
in many ways the bloodbath started here several years ago but seldom gets a mention.

DairyGrazing · Aug 22, 2021

Fools Gold said:
That is true but up here in Scotland there’s plenty bloody well run dairy businesses in Aberdeenshire, Moray, the Argyle islands and Kintyre peninsula all gone out of milk due to a lack of a viable milk buyer, plenty tenanted units giving up as landlords are either unwilling or unable to come up with the necessary cash to fund infrastructure to remain compliant and quie a few smaller or more remote units I know of feeling very vulnerable about their future in milk.
in many ways the bloodbath started here several years ago but seldom gets a mention.

Its been in the press a lot constriction of the milk field and too much milk in the wrong place.

Bigger issue is the SNP wanting no farming in Scotland! Thats after offering 50% on sheds for years and hence now why the milk has no market.

lazy farmer · Aug 22, 2021

farmerm said:
It will be a blood bath all round...

Opportunities too

Bossfarmer · Aug 23, 2021

Fools Gold said:
That is true but up here in Scotland there’s plenty bloody well run dairy businesses in Aberdeenshire, Moray, the Argyle islands and Kintyre peninsula all gone out of milk due to a lack of a viable milk buyer, plenty tenanted units giving up as landlords are either unwilling or unable to come up with the necessary cash to fund infrastructure to remain compliant and quie a few smaller or more remote units I know of feeling very vulnerable about their future in milk.
in many ways the bloodbath started here several years ago but seldom gets a mention.

Its not a bloodbath yet though as they can switch to beef and sheep and theyre still getting sfp?

sidjon · Aug 23, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
Its not a bloodbath yet though as they can switch to beef and sheep and theyre still getting sfp?

Beef and sheep boys around us are getting out as no money in it, we did costing on beef as a option 6 months ago and we would just be eroding our cash, some land locally can't get anyone to rent it as it/they are a pain in the arse.

Bossfarmer · Aug 23, 2021

sidjon said:
Beef and sheep boys around us are getting out as no money in it, we did costing on beef as a option 6 months ago and we would just be eroding our cash, some land locally can't get anyone to rent it as it/they are a pain in the arse.

What type of beef production did you cost? £100/head calf sub up here and strong store/fat prices just now, sheep flying

pappuller · Aug 23, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
What type of beef production did you cost? £100/head calf sub up here and strong store/fat prices just now, sheep flying

Hi's and lows are for traders, averages are what pays the bills

sidjon · Aug 23, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
What type of beef production did you cost? £100/head calf sub up here and strong store/fat prices just now, sheep flying

No calf subs and with our mortgage and you add TB to it was into a minus figure

Bossfarmer · Aug 23, 2021

sidjon said:
No calf subs and with our mortgage and you add TB to it was into a minus figure

Thats different if your paying a mortgage

Rossymons · Aug 23, 2021

Bossfarmer said:
Thats different if your paying a mortgage

Not all of us were lucky enough to have Grandad buy the farm.

Fedupfarmer · Aug 23, 2021

Be happy if I'm still here in twenty years time.

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