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- somerset
i think its more widely spread, than just the UK, look at the protests all over the EU.
Fertiliser Price Tracker
- Thread starter TFF
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Is this what putin wants. Anarchy across Europe. Like someone mentioned if gas is short it won’t go to making fertiliser.
Two important issues.
We cannot feed half our population effectively.
When we cannot source food for our population other countries will be rolling down the export shutters.
Simplistic?
We cannot feed half our population effectively.
When we cannot source food for our population other countries will be rolling down the export shutters.
Simplistic?
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- somerset
well, he's a clever bugger, and desperate to sort his 'miscalculation' out. Surprising Europe has held together, for so long, one could have thought that some countries, would have weakened on their determination, to oppose putrid, by now. With winter coming ........... I am sure there is 'discussions' going on, behind closed doors.
At the same time, one could believe 'discussions', are going on, behind putrids back. He must be desperate to find a way out, without looking like he's a loser, he would be soon gone.
So anything to promote discord, within his neighbours, especially as they are arming Ukraine, would be of great assistance to him.
The longer the war goes on, the more dangerous it gets, the Russians have taken a hammering, UK defence sources estimate 75,000 casualties, and billions of dollars worth of equipment, airplanes and ships. If he is forced to withdraw, he's finished, and therefore, he is desperate, and desperate men do desperate things, like nuclear. So if he can break Europes united front, he will do all he can possibly do, to achieve it.
One assumes the politicians we elect, have at least some intelligence, but they appear to be sleep walking into a major disaster. They seem incapable of joining the facts together, less fert, means less food, and they still want to continue their green agenda. You can rightly guess, the extension of nuclear power stations, and keeping coal powered ones, open, will have met with fierce criticism, howls of protest, possibly encouraged by Moscow, what do those idiots think will happen ? Probably answered my own question, they don't think.
Pork will be in short supply with the number of sows being slaughtered here and in eu
Exactly, no demand for what we already produce. Apart from milk.
Yes milk could replace imports but grass does need N to grow unless clover is used and a lot more acres even then, cant see many arable boys getting up at 5 every morning, I did it for years but too old now.
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- somerset
that is the missing part of policy.
where is the replacement food coming from ?
guv assumes it can be imported cheaper than home produced, but can it ?
fert price is a global problem, and will push prices up, fuel is also a global price, which pushes transport costs up.
Those cheaper imports, now face competition from buyers in other countries, that are finding the same problems as us.
Global food production is very close to demand, and could easily dip under, if problems, such as drought or war occur.
Whatever happens, people have to eat, and they have to pay for it. We could well be seeing the end of the cheap food era. About time to, guv policies have had cheap food as a major part of policy, for 50 yrs.
And l doubt politicians even have a clue where their 'green' policies' are going to take them. Certainly not food shortages/expensive.
but as someone posted earlier, it will take a long time to ramp production back up. Guvs have sown the seeds, and we just might reap the rewards.
3.9m tonnes of wheat, 4.1m tonnes of maize, 12.1m tonnes of sugar beet, 0.4m tonnes of barley and 0.4m tonnes of rye goes into bio-ethanol in Europe alone. On to of that 15.3m tonnes of rape and 3.5m tonnes of soya into bio-diesel. Those appear to be 2012 figures and they will have only gone up since then. It seems there is quite a bit of food going to fuel to act as a buffer if really needed.
Tarw Coch
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- Bottom of Wats Dyke
Government have sown the seeds and we will reap the blame for food shortages more like.
We may get a bit of a boost to our income in the short term but that will make it all the easier to put the blame on the pesky farmers
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- somerset
will the green zealots allow that to change, without causing a massive protest ?
Yes it is stupid to process food into fuel, when its in short supply.
But that would take a reversal of promises, made by many countries, to reduce the use of fossil fuels. More importantly, what would it take, to convince politicians they were wrong to go down that path ? That is assuming they understand the reason for reversal, which is doubtful.
Even then, there would be years of debates, as to the reasons to change, even then, the greens wouldn't want to change it anyway.
Unfortuantly, it will take a massive disaster to even start the discussion, and then, years to get it sorted out, or production ramped up.
But its not only bio-ethanol that is the problem, masses of food is wasted, and ends up in landfill. There is a requirement, for a sensible discussion, on the whole subject, very unachievable at the moment.
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- Darlington
I think it's not a matter of if than when. Dilemma being where that lost energy would come from? Especially with the gas issues which were the catalyst to all of this in the first place.
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- somerset
whole subject needs a rethink. But politicians admitting they were wrong ............
I thought about this last night. The only real cure for food waste is for it to be more expensive so it becomes more prized rather than a throw away commodity.
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- Lincolnshire
Especially is she becomes our new PM.
She wont rest until the British apple is at the top of the tree!
Hindsight
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- Lincolnshire
I have usually followed tradition and placed the fairy in that position. I shall take soundings in the house if a Bramley or a Cox should be atop the tree come December 25th.
But remember all the Co product that goes to feed livestock. It isn’t as simple as saying that it is all lost food. Farmers should know better; it’s the sort of cheap shot you see on the news and
In the press.
ridger
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- Tyrone, Northern Ireland
Seen a product this week called bean hulls, it was insanely dusty coming out of the lorry. It smells like Broad beans so it must be the stalk all ground up and pelleted?
the hull is the "skin"? of the bean.