Who has replaced Guy Smith at Red Tractor?

Grass And Grain · Aug 16, 2022

Vader said:
Well when they actually do something good for farmers they then might get some.
RT do nothing, in fact worse than nothing, they cost us money for doing nothing for us.
AHDB were all cosy with RT/ NFU/AIC untill we started looking at emails via FOI.
So what praise they deserve..?

AHDB have a responsibility to their levy payers.

They got straight on the email and blabbed to NFU, RT and AIC. None of those pay any levy.

MrNoo said:
Maybe because farmers are fed up and pee'd off about them??
Do you think I moan for the sake of it, because I’m bored and got FA else to do????
No, I complain because the whole situation is a sham yet you sing from the sidelines ( not even an arable producer) about how bloody marvellous both the NFU and RT are.
Farmers have had enough, so yes we’re going to moan like hell and try and effect change, not “from within” but publicly on any social media platform available. Then when that doesn’t work I guess we’ll have to start on our own scheme.
I hope there is a legal challenge too.
So all my full spec wheat and barley was offered a home at an AD plant because it’s non assured.
I won’t mention price because it’d make your eyes water.
All because of the NFU. Yet if in France I’d be fine or anywhere else in the world = full market value as long as specs were met.
So I can pay a Cartel for market access and get more for my produce or I can stand by my principles and get shafted
Yet on you bang, are you FarmerStu’s cousin? Or related in any way

Awful isn't it. If you were in France you'd have had full market access/price, but as you're in the UK you've to pay a private company to get same market access as Jonnie foreigner, and the whole shebang isn't the law, it's voluntary rules put in place by our own industry representatives.

We ask nicely if we can supply by EXACTLY same method as Mr Frenchman and they say "no you can't" , then think up pathetic excuses as to why not. "It's too expensive. There's no market demand for UK GK".

We'll the mills seem quite happy purchasing GK imports.

Truth is, they want to keep us paying into RT/SQC membership. There's no other reason. They accept GK for imports, so they've no leg to stand on.

Hampton said:
Jane king?

Already announced. Kit Papworth, who's jumped straight in here to the lion's den to try and learn what all the frustration is about

graham mc · Aug 16, 2022

Grass And Grain said:
Already announced. Kit Papworth, who's jumped straight in here to the lion's den to try and learn what all the frustration is about

hopefully comes back on today or maybe hes been dragged to the ivory towers allready to be re educated lol

Sid · Aug 16, 2022

DrDunc said:
Do you help Trump write his twisted logic?

I particularly like his latest claim that the FBI might have planted evidence during the raid upon his opulent monstrosity

Defending RT against the tsunami of evidence exposing bureaucratic collusion and control is definitely similarly delusional

Playing devil's advocate.
As I said dammed if they do dammed if they don't!

MrNoo said:
Maybe because farmers are fed up and pee'd off about them??
Do you think I moan for the sake of it, because I’m bored and got FA else to do????
No, I complain because the whole situation is a sham yet you sing from the sidelines ( not even an arable producer) about how bloody marvellous both the NFU and RT are.
Farmers have had enough, so yes we’re going to moan like hell and try and effect change, not “from within” but publicly on any social media platform available. Then when that doesn’t work I guess we’ll have to start on our own scheme.
I hope there is a legal challenge too.
So all my full spec wheat and barley was offered a home at an AD plant because it’s non assured.
I won’t mention price because it’d make your eyes water.
All because of the NFU. Yet if in France I’d be fine or anywhere else in the world = full market value as long as specs were met.
So I can pay a Cartel for market access and get more for my produce or I can stand by my principles and get shafted
Yet on you bang, are you FarmerStu’s cousin? Or related in any way

No idea why you moan so much. Perhaps it's hormonal?

I've no issue with constructive criticism, in fact I'm all for it.
Constantly moaning but failing to engage is just a waste of breathe.

Where have I praised RT.

Please quote my post. Many thanks

snarling bee · Aug 16, 2022

I think constructive criticism is great. I agree with much of it. What I find very tedious, boring and often insulting is the 'gravy train' nonsense. I am sure that Kit, Guy and others before them are not doing it for the money. They would earn far more developing their own businesses or working elsewhere. I get a small amount in my pretty lowly NFU role, I do not claim expenses, and it does not compensate for the 15 or so days a year I spend doing the job. You couldn't even employ a tractor driver for what many get for their work in farming organisations, which takes up more than a full time job.
Please stick to policy, decisions and communication.
If you want people like Kit to engage then stop the nonsense and stick to the valid arguments. It will keep the communication going and will get better results.

Farmer 83563 · Aug 16, 2022

Sid said:
I've no issue with constructive criticism, in fact I'm all for it.

Seriously?

Sid · Aug 16, 2022

ERL said:
Seriously?

Yep throwing mud is childish

Farmer 83563 · Aug 16, 2022

Sid said:
Yep throwing mud is childish

100% but so is defending the indefensible

Henarar · Aug 16, 2022

It seems like some want everyone else to do RT for no other reason than the fact that they have to, they would rather see the money going to RT rather than staying in another farmers pocket, plus because they have to spend the time, worry and hassle on it they think everyone else should.
One word, jealousy

SilliamWhale · Aug 16, 2022

Sid said:
Everytime there is a job free.
There you go @Kit Papworth makes sure all positions are emailed to all licensees

So even though it was on the RT website even @Clive missed it.....but some saw it including Kit.

Majority, with an interest in Arable RT, knew Guy had left the position so it was obvious there was going to be a replacement selection process.

Interestingly enough Sid if you look at the Red Tractor twitter feed they advertised a few vacancies on there in the past ie a dairy sector chair, some technical managers and some in the communications team all in the last 6 months but curiously nothing of the Crops Board chair....

Sid · Aug 16, 2022

ERL said:
100% but so is defending the indefensible

Indeed it is.

SilliamWhale said:
Interestingly enough Sid if you look at the Red Tractor twitter feed they advertised a few vacancies on there in the past ie a dairy sector chair, some technical managers and some in the communications team all in the last 6 months but curiously nothing of the Crops Board chair....

Well that's very very poor.

If you choose a platform for "advertising" then it should be used for ALL roles

tullah · Aug 16, 2022

Due to the stress alone that RT causes us then this should be an opportunity for Kit to say enough is enough and to wind up the whole fraudulent thing.
Meanwhile next door is waiting in the wings for me to collapse and move in.

SilliamWhale · Aug 16, 2022

Sid said:
Indeed it is.

Well that's very very poor.

If you choose a platform for "advertising" then it should be used for ALL roles

Of course it's poor. But we're all aware how controlled and channeled the organisation is

Hampton · Aug 16, 2022

Hi @Kit Papworth
Good luck with your new appointment.
I think it worthwhile to highlight to you that farmers will only consider you a success in this post if you are able to affect proper change, either by achieving a real reduction in the onerous inspection nonsense and implementing a change to equivalent to imports, and/or achieving a worthwhile and real premium (a real monetary premium, not the one that Jim Moseley imagines we get)
I imagine the latter will be impossible so it must be the former.
Without putting a dampener on things for you, you are the latest in a long line of farmers who run successful businesses who have made absolutely zero change to red tractor in terms of benefit. I look forward to you changing that statistic for the better.
Anyway, good luck

Old apprentice · Aug 16, 2022

On RT inspections years ago I was knocking buildings about and had a dairy inspection by a government body ,the inspector was not to pleased at some things but he said I can see what you are aiming at so no problem left me to get on with it . Now come to rt on your crop asurance if you were doing similar it would be a non conformancy then you would get 28 days to rectify which in many cases would be impossible to acheave. Is there a morel in there?

ajd132 · Aug 16, 2022

snarling bee said:
I think constructive criticism is great. I agree with much of it. What I find very tedious, boring and often insulting is the 'gravy train' nonsense. I am sure that Kit, Guy and others before them are not doing it for the money. They would earn far more developing their own businesses or working elsewhere. I get a small amount in my pretty lowly NFU role, I do not claim expenses, and it does not compensate for the 15 or so days a year I spend doing the job. You couldn't even employ a tractor driver for what many get for their work in farming organisations, which takes up more than a full time job.
Please stick to policy, decisions and communication.
If you want people like Kit to engage then stop the nonsense and stick to the valid arguments. It will keep the communication going and will get better results.

I do agree with this. It’s only the real top level jobs that get a decent amount of money. I’m a director of a much discussed grain co op on here and the money I get (publicly available info) is meaningless and not why I do it.

bobk · Aug 16, 2022

Doubt we'll the new chairman on here again , dead tractor will warn him not to converse with the enemy

Vader · Aug 16, 2022

snarling bee said:
I think constructive criticism is great. I agree with much of it. What I find very tedious, boring and often insulting is the 'gravy train' nonsense. I am sure that Kit, Guy and others before them are not doing it for the money. They would earn far more developing their own businesses or working elsewhere. I get a small amount in my pretty lowly NFU role, I do not claim expenses, and it does not compensate for the 15 or so days a year I spend doing the job. You couldn't even employ a tractor driver for what many get for their work in farming organisations, which takes up more than a full time job.
Please stick to policy, decisions and communication.
If you want people like Kit to engage then stop the nonsense and stick to the valid arguments. It will keep the communication going and will get better results.

The gravy train / greasy pole thing is not about payments now.
Its about keeping on track to work upto the well paid jobs later.
So ppl follow the agenda looking to the future.

Grass And Grain · Aug 16, 2022

snarling bee said:
I think constructive criticism is great. I agree with much of it. What I find very tedious, boring and often insulting is the 'gravy train' nonsense. I am sure that Kit, Guy and others before them are not doing it for the money. They would earn far more developing their own businesses or working elsewhere. I get a small amount in my pretty lowly NFU role, I do not claim expenses, and it does not compensate for the 15 or so days a year I spend doing the job. You couldn't even employ a tractor driver for what many get for their work in farming organisations, which takes up more than a full time job.
Please stick to policy, decisions and communication.
If you want people like Kit to engage then stop the nonsense and stick to the valid arguments. It will keep the communication going and will get better results.

Good post. Agree with much of this, particularly sticking with valid points of discussion. There's lots of pent up frustration at RT, and understandably it gets vented, but should be done in an appropriate way.

Gravy train bit. I don't suppose most do these sort of roles for the cash, as you say could probably earn more by working at their own businesses.

I'm guessing all these sorts of organisations are inclined to give board position to those who think in same way as current management, so change is difficult to achieve. Hence why I think farmer reps should be elected by the members rather than appointed.

We welcome Kit on here and it's great everyone has a chance to put forward their thoughts for consideration.

spin cycle · Aug 16, 2022

snarling bee said:
I think constructive criticism is great. I agree with much of it. What I find very tedious, boring and often insulting is the 'gravy train' nonsense. I am sure that Kit, Guy and others before them are not doing it for the money. They would earn far more developing their own businesses or working elsewhere. I get a small amount in my pretty lowly NFU role, I do not claim expenses, and it does not compensate for the 15 or so days a year I spend doing the job. You couldn't even employ a tractor driver for what many get for their work in farming organisations, which takes up more than a full time job.
Please stick to policy, decisions and communication.
If you want people like Kit to engage then stop the nonsense and stick to the valid arguments. It will keep the communication going and will get better results.

so if he didn't do the job he'd be better off and if rt didn't exist we'd all be better off :scratchhead:

.....seems win/win

and if the nfu

snarling bee · Aug 16, 2022

But RT does exist, and so does the job.

Engage properly with the debate, increase the strength of your argument, don't spoil it by throwing insults and annoying the man before he has even started. Kit will soon get fed up with this forum and stop engaging if you cant keep the discussion sensible.

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100% I’ve had enough of farming!

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