Days of thunder
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It looks a beast of a machine when I saw you using it
CNH Combines
- Thread starter Stevejb44
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
This video quotes that the JD X9 outperforms both the farm’s previous NH CR10.90 and Class Lexion combined. Impossible!
The CH10.90 alone has a capacity of 120 t/h as shown on theWorld record video in 2014!
The JD X9 has a max capacity of 110 t/h, as stated by the JD’s expert driver in post 98.
Add in a Lexion and it is double daft to suggest that the JD X9 can outperform both combines together.
Therefore it is factually inaccurate Bollox to suggest the X9 is so good.
It also states that NH haven’t moved on in the last 10 year.
Maybe it is impossible to improve on perfection.
Why should NH need to improve on their world record, when nobody can do better?
I can assure you that NH have a fantastic ‘Innovative’ department that are looking at these things all the time.
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
See post 142.
I have to say that my confidence in anything accurate that appears on Grassman Videos has suddenly taken a huge nose dive!
- Location
- East Yorkshire
i think he said in te video that the jd was doing 100t an hour which is good
he then said that it out did a cr 1090 and 780 combined
100/cr+780 means each did 50t/hr
think its all talk to impress the kids but i guess it sells videos
he then said that it out did a cr 1090 and 780 combined
100/cr+780 means each did 50t/hr
think its all talk to impress the kids but i guess it sells videos
Enry
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- Location
- Shropshire
I don't know the farm, but maybe on that farm, with their field layout and logistics it has? with the same or more cropping, it took some nerve to go from 2 to 1 combines, and I know harvest 2022 has been a doddle (fires excepted!) but the fact he is getting another X9 not a CNH or Claas suggests he's putting his money where his mouth is? The JD video of the X( cutting all night when their S machine had to stop could have a major bearing on actual output in typical european conditions??
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- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
Good points.
However, the proof will be how reliable they are after a few years work and their residual values.
JD’s reputation here has been somewhat lacking compared to NH and Claas.
How many JD’s did Claas buy to keep their customers happy, that they couldn’t supply new Claas combines to this year, compared to NH’s?
Enry
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- Location
- Shropshire
Claas an NH do have good residuals and there is more to life than absolute output - running costs and depreciation etc. JD X9 has a fair price tag so has to deliver
- Location
- Moreton-in-Marsh, Glos
It was impressive that it cut at 45% straw moisture. But we know a CR would have done the same or any NH straw walker combine fitted with the Dual stream header.
Straw walkers do not like wet straw and will cause tremendously high losses.
Staff working 18 hours a day driving like idiots nightmare through our village and others
ollie989898
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I cannot believe any serious businessman worth his salt would permit teenagers to drive like that. Of all the people I have known and worked for I reckon I would have lasted about 90 seconds before being strangled by the boss, the foreman or other members of staff if I'd behaved like that in a work environment?
fergie35
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- Location
- Oxfordshire
On non test conditions a 10.90 would be averaging 70tph easily, and I'm sure a Lexion 780 could do the same. So how does an X9 outperform two combines? As said it's impossible, he said He's putting 90ton per hour in the shed, I personally know people who manage not a million miles behind that (80 ish) just with the NH, so add in a Lexion 780 as well, I smell a rat! Them two combines together should have been easily putting 150-160tph in the shed, in them field sizes and flat land, unless they had poor drivers or bad logistics IMO
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Enry
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- Shropshire
I think the point is that they have clearly gone from two machines where they clearly weren’t optimising output, to one where they are…and in a very easy season…and it’s brand new and has behaved itself….so face vale, one replaced two, reality in the same field on the same day, half a field for JD and half for the Claas/NH pair…Inthink we know which half would be cleared first…
Enry
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- Location
- Shropshire
That applies to 99% of what’s on here
Tramliner
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- Location
- Tamworth, Staffordshire
I wouldn’t have thought the X9 would outperform the 10.90 and 780, but in our experience you don’t get the best out these large combines running them in the same field .
Deprecation of the X9 will be as yet unknown, but it’s the first combine we have bought which is worth more apparently after one year than when it was bought!
If the development department at NH were on the ball they would of worked on some of the issues I highlighted, especially the PSV belt, straw chopper area which has been problem in green OSR straw since we started running CRs in 2004
Out of interest we also demoed a Class 8900 with a 45ft Convio header, which was also a fantastic combine ! We were just not sure the Convio had the movement in the header frame we were looking for that the HDX and MacDon offered.
All of these combines are incredible masterpieces of machinery! Anybody who doesn’t think that hasn’t spent long enough on a Class Matador with 8ft cut and no cab!!
Deprecation of the X9 will be as yet unknown, but it’s the first combine we have bought which is worth more apparently after one year than when it was bought!
If the development department at NH were on the ball they would of worked on some of the issues I highlighted, especially the PSV belt, straw chopper area which has been problem in green OSR straw since we started running CRs in 2004
Out of interest we also demoed a Class 8900 with a 45ft Convio header, which was also a fantastic combine ! We were just not sure the Convio had the movement in the header frame we were looking for that the HDX and MacDon offered.
All of these combines are incredible masterpieces of machinery! Anybody who doesn’t think that hasn’t spent long enough on a Class Matador with 8ft cut and no cab!!
Daniel
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- Location
- Mildenhall, Suffolk
Those early combines were a bigger engineering leap forward from a binder and threshing drum than a Lexion is from a Matador?
Feldspar
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- Location
- Essex, Cambs and Suffolk
Combining world record has been broken this year apparently. And so it should have been. Ideal conditions.
This year was the highest t/ha figures I've seen through our 10.90. Normally struggle on engine temp and sit in the 70s. (Better compressor this year has helped keep rads cleaner.) This year 80s were more normal. Once you take headlands and awkward fields into account average spot rate will go down into the 60s. Lack of guidance round headlands, fallen branches and brome in grass slowed things. New 9.90 demo we had with all the automated settings and headland guidance lines would all help boost the average up quite a bit.
This would have been 5 t/hr off the highest spot rate I saw. Turned out our yield meter was reading 4.4% low in this photo, so that means we probably only touched 100 t/hr spot for seconds at a time. And that's cutting stubble high too. Makes the world record look very impressive, especially as it was set with our 10.90. Our losses though this year were very good. Would have been interesting to see what they were when the record was set.
This year was the highest t/ha figures I've seen through our 10.90. Normally struggle on engine temp and sit in the 70s. (Better compressor this year has helped keep rads cleaner.) This year 80s were more normal. Once you take headlands and awkward fields into account average spot rate will go down into the 60s. Lack of guidance round headlands, fallen branches and brome in grass slowed things. New 9.90 demo we had with all the automated settings and headland guidance lines would all help boost the average up quite a bit.
This would have been 5 t/hr off the highest spot rate I saw. Turned out our yield meter was reading 4.4% low in this photo, so that means we probably only touched 100 t/hr spot for seconds at a time. And that's cutting stubble high too. Makes the world record look very impressive, especially as it was set with our 10.90. Our losses though this year were very good. Would have been interesting to see what they were when the record was set.
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warksfarmer
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Lexion 770 with 10.5m header can do 82t/hr at 71% engine load as a spot rate - pic 1. And very often could make that read 100t/hr by running it over 100% engine load at detriment to massive losses over the back at the same time.
Point is combine spot rates are a load of twaddle for every single brand. Manufacturers should stop quoting it and just sell machines on engine size and grain cleaning area size. Nothing else really matters.
Point is combine spot rates are a load of twaddle for every single brand. Manufacturers should stop quoting it and just sell machines on engine size and grain cleaning area size. Nothing else really matters.
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Fish
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- Location
- North yorkshire
Harry’s 7088 must be at least 8 years old, ain’t made them since 2014, been 2 model up grades since, 7140/7150.
Case have 2 ranges, flagship and heritage, flagship- class 7-9 mostly cvt drives, oil pumps and shafts.
Heritage- class 5?-7, all pulleys, belts and chain drives.
We run 7140, which is the up graded model from the 7088, which was a major change from the previous 7088.
The 7088 was just a 2388 with more grunt and that slug of a Cummins in the back drank fuel like it was 10p ltr
Case have 2 ranges, flagship and heritage, flagship- class 7-9 mostly cvt drives, oil pumps and shafts.
Heritage- class 5?-7, all pulleys, belts and chain drives.
We run 7140, which is the up graded model from the 7088, which was a major change from the previous 7088.
The 7088 was just a 2388 with more grunt and that slug of a Cummins in the back drank fuel like it was 10p ltr
- Location
- Perthshire (It's a big place!)
We run 9070 from 2014 which is the same as current 8.90. We don't chop anything and have short stubbles. A good output with a 30 foot is about 55 to 60 in a 9t crop with minimal losses. In rye it'll be about 50 in a 9t crop.
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