Cost of living/Living cheaply How cheap can you live?

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
ah, you're right (....I'm only a simpleton)
Must be a 4-10 watt light then?


I notice the table doesn't give cost of running 2 sodding great borehole pumps.......................that doesn't seem to be much fun just the noo.
cheaper than mains water though ?
 

topground

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Livestock Farmer
Location
North Somerset.
I don’t enjoy spending money unlike my late father who would go to auctions and come back with all sorts of rubbish, mother would shrug her shoulders saying ‘he just needs to spend from time to time’.
I was described by a mate when we were in further education together as ‘he’s not tight he is just very very careful’
As a consequence I have no debt and when I need to spend to repair or invest I have savings, a concept that appears to have gone out of fashion!
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
I came here to say this.

UK population density, 281 people/km2.
Fnland population density 19 people/km2.

Finland is also ethnically and culturally homogeneous, with less than 2% of the population being non white. The neo nazi anti immigrant group Soldiers of Odin began to organise street patrols in response to Islamic immigrants and the associated rise in crime, particularly sexual violence against Finnish women. The organisation has been praised by the Finnish National Police Commissioner, who said he welcomed their presence.

Can anyone imagine a similar situation in UK?
Why does the total population density have anything to do with the school system? You just have more schools - also, why is gross population density relevant at all? Finnish population distribution is uneven, with it being the concentrated on the small southwestern coastal plain. About 85% live in towns and cities, with 1.5 million living in the Greater Helsinki area. Which is almost exactly the same as the UK (83.65% living in towns and cities).

What relevance does cultural homogeneity have to how you might structure your school system?
The only educational relevance I can see is that south east Asian kids are used to a different approach to learning (lots of dictating/copying), but I'm sure that if they are brought up here, they can adapt.
 

unlacedgecko

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Fife
Why does the total population density have anything to do with the school system? You just have more schools - also, why is gross population density relevant at all? Finnish population distribution is uneven, with it being the concentrated on the small southwestern coastal plain. About 85% live in towns and cities, with 1.5 million living in the Greater Helsinki area. Which is almost exactly the same as the UK (83.65% living in towns and cities).

What relevance does cultural homogeneity have to how you might structure your school system?
The only educational relevance I can see is that south east Asian kids are used to a different approach to learning (lots of dictating/copying), but I'm sure that if they are brought up here, they can adapt.
How much of UK budget is consumed by dealing with the negative effects of low skilled criminally minded migrants?

How much of UK education budget is consumed dealing with ethnic sensitivities? A "diversity consultant" I know of is £1200/day. And that's all charged to the local authorities.
 

SteveHants

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Livestock Farmer
How much of UK budget is consumed by dealing with the negative effects of low skilled criminally minded migrants?
What has that got to do with the education system? How much of the budget is used to deal with criminals generally?
Crime rates tend to drop in societies with better education and opportunities so perhaps this could be reduced under this system.

How much of UK education budget is consumed dealing with ethnic sensitivities? A "diversity consultant" I know of is £1200/day. And that's all charged to the local authorities

Most inclusion and diversity stuff is handled at an individual school level, so not much probably, assuming they give talks to SLTs from a number of schools who then use it to formulate policy.
That said, in my time in education I've never come across such a thing as a "diversity consultant" so they must be pretty rare.

Also, you seem to be ignoring the fact that migrants are net contributors to the UK economy, so helping their children to feel more included is a net financial benefit to the UK:
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk
 
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DRC

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Except the evidence says the opposite.
If all the children that are schooled privately had to be schooled via the state system, the education budget would be considerably higher and require tax rises to pay for it . I didn’t get a tax rebate for freeing the state of its obligation to teach my children .
As for the sack cloth and ashes which some seem to almost revel in, stuff that.
We had many hard years being mainly tenant farmers with the previous generation to look after and our own family to bring up. My wife worked off farm for many years. Getting our children a good education though, was worth it, as both have very good careers which has allowed us to sell up and retire . We intend to enjoy it and I love my new car and am just back from a lovely foreign holiday, with no intention of saving it all, within reason .
Thats not to say some folk cant be happy staying at home and living frugally, but they aren’t doing much for the economy as surely money makes the world go round .
 

egbert

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Livestock Farmer
cheaper than mains water though ?
I've not considered mains, where it's an option - fear of a monster bill for a 'pipe off' incident probably.
(there is nothing an idle bullock can't destroy given sufficient time)
At home, the main site, it's not an option. The water board take a 24" main away from here, but I don't think they'd like me tapping it.

(Whispered...i have got 2-3 unmetered mains outlets as well)
 

010101

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Arable Farmer
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As far as I'm concerned, any comparisons with Finland are meaningless.
Like their neighbours, they've got a tiny population/natural resource ratio...compared to us.
(Finland is one of the largest countries in Europe, pop 5 million.)

In fact, a fun exercise might be to consider how their economy would cope with a similar population density to the UK.....

The UK has a far larger population and is a far larger consumer market. Whilst we may not have the natural resources of Finland we do have one big almighty gold mine- London. The total business done in London each day dwarfs a lot of smaller economies.

No reason the UK could not adapt it's government and societal policies to any used in Europe. As far as I am aware, people in Germany, Finland and elsewhere are still born the same way, age the same way and consume the same way.
 
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utter rubbish

all you would do is stretch education budget even thiner to the disadvantage of all ….. or need to tax even higher and honest hard working people are already taxed beyond reasonably in this country

my god the politics of envy are unattractive

i’m state school educated btw

Clive, if you investigated the issue for more than 60 seconds you would know that schools are paid on the basis of every pupil they accommodate so your prophecy is utter bilge.

I also wish you the best of luck in your endeavours with private healthcare, you can offer them all the money you like but for some things private providers do not exist and for others they are extremely reluctant to extend their services. I would hope and pray that no man on this forum ever has to experience the limits of private healthcare because believe me they are there.

I am also state school educated (in fact, I probably went to the best school money couldn't even buy and I was extremely fortunate to be there for the full 5 years) and as for the politics of envy I can assure you I do not envy you whatsoever.

It is high time school fees had VAT added and these places paid their corporation tax. That is the end of it. If Finland saw fit to ban them I'd also suggest it is a workable solution here also. I'd also like to see the present NHS system ditched in favour of a national insurance scheme- it seems to have worked for Belgium who made the same switch not all that long ago.
 

Highland Mule

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Livestock Farmer
This was rather a long time ago but I consider my secondary school to have been the best possible school I could ever have hoped to attend. I actually enjoyed my time there and I was pleased with my GCSE results and the teachers I had for them.
Did they teach maths?

If you have 20% more pupils going through the state school system, and the tax payer is funding schools on a per capita basis, how can it not result in either a larger tax bill for the state or a lower payment per capita?
 
Did they teach maths?

If you have 20% more pupils going through the state school system, and the tax payer is funding schools on a per capita basis, how can it not result in either a larger tax bill for the state or a lower payment per capita?

What is wrong with a higher tax bill for the state? There will be more pupils entering school in future anyway because of an expanding population and migration so either a bit more money will be needed or the state system will have to stretch their pennies a bit further. Maybe a combination of both.
 

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