Slurry Grant Scheme Autumn 22 for England

frederick · Nov 23, 2022

Sid said:
Not necessarily, there are "priority areas"

If your outside those areas don't let that stop anyone from applying or DEFRA may/will say that everything is OK and farmers don't need financial assistance with storage.

DEFRA have to be careful and get messaging right. They are making it quite clear that applications are limited this year and they direct you to magic for the priority areas. That's as good as saying outside these areas is for another year which is fine.
To say still apply outside these areas with no secondary selection process means outside this area is a real roll of the dice.

Holsteinfriesian90 · Nov 23, 2022

sidjon said:
Looks like those that pollute get they grants ie Tone/Parrett catchment only tiny part of Devon who has the largest amount of cattle,

Might be me being stupid but where do you find the priority map?

frederick · Nov 23, 2022

Holsteinfriesian90 said:
Might be me being stupid but where do you find the priority map?

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frederick · Nov 23, 2022

There is a very interesting anomaly in this grant which may be resolved.
When I bought my store 6124 cube was £12,000 more than 5316. I went for the smaller as it was under 1000 square metres and easier on planning and the site.
But the extra 808 cube only cost £14.85 per cube where the grant funding is £26.17 so on the number you write on the cheque the bigger store would actually cost £9146 less than the smaller after grant.

this could mean it was more cost effective for everyone in the country to build a max sized 50 m diameter 10,000 cube store even if they only wanted a 2500 cube store. Inflation will have had some effect on this but I dont think it would offset it completely.

5316 was 54 panels 6124 was 58 . 50 m diameter would be 74 panels at £3000 a panel increase in cost that would be an additional 48 k in cost but 3876 extra cube so an additional grant of £101K so in cash terms a 10,000 cube store would cost 62K less than a 5316 cube store. ( the increase in cost is still not linear and would technically be slightly less)

These are only approximations but it highlights a very interesting anomaly when it comes to sizing your store.

PDB · Nov 23, 2022

Has anyone got the answer to covering an earth bank store?

Sid · Nov 24, 2022

frederick said:
DEFRA have to be careful and get messaging right. They are making it quite clear that applications are limited this year and they direct you to magic for the priority areas. That's as good as saying outside these areas is for another year which is fine.
To say still apply outside these areas with no secondary selection process means outside this area is a real roll of the dice.

They are limited yes, but priority areas are just one part if the application process.

sidjon · Nov 24, 2022

Sid said:
They are limited yes, but priority areas are just one part if the application process.

Try and apply for catchment sensitive outside of a priority area

, even had catchment sensitive advisers help us to do applications and after 3 times ow given up, would think slurry will be the same

Fiacre · Nov 24, 2022

With only £13m available this year I can’t believe more than 100 to 200 applications being successful in this round. I think it’s likely to be focused on highly sensitive catchments only.

Farmer Keith · Nov 24, 2022

I’m in a priority area so no bitterness attached to this post but surely it should be for everybody or no one? Why do I get upto £250k to support my business comply with a legal requirement but another potentially identical farm 5 miles away has to fund it themselves.

Sid · Nov 24, 2022

Farmer Keith said:
I’m in a priority area so no bitterness attached to this post but surely it should be for everybody or no one? Why do I get upto £250k to support my business comply with a legal requirement but another potentially identical farm 5 miles away has to fund it themselves.

Because the money , IIRC,is coming from the BPS pot,as it gets less this budget,hopefully if treasury doesn't siphon off the money, gets more.

Also this is almost a test run for a larger scheme.

Farmer Keith · Nov 24, 2022

Sid said:
Because the money , IIRC,is coming from the BPS pot,as it gets less this budget,hopefully if treasury doesn't siphon off the money, gets more.

Also this is almost a test run for a larger scheme.

If there’s a really small pot of money why not cap it at £100k then? If you’re big enough to need a massive store you should probably be funding it yourself anyways.

Homesy · Nov 24, 2022

PDB said:
Has anyone got the answer to covering an earth bank store?

Don’t bother. It crusts anyway. There is not enough money available to cover every earth bank lagoon. My neighbour has a covered and lined lagoon. Nightmare to stir. The cover is off more than it is on. Covers only keep the rain water out. My neighbour’s has vents which leak all the methane out. So much so that you can light the gas coming out. The slurry still stinks when he spreads it. Aside from the rain water what is the point ? ? ?
I would love to see some peer reviewed studies rather than salesmen’s blurb to see the actual benefits of covers once the slurry is spread. I bet the benefits are tiny. There are some floating hexagon disks which allegedly do the same job as a sheet type cover bar keeping the rain water out. A lot easier to manage than a sheet and may be enough to tick a box for the EA depending on who you speak to.

Blue. · Nov 24, 2022

PDB said:
Has anyone got the answer to covering an earth bank store?

A lagoon near here is 4.14acres,same farm has another at 1.6ac and a third half a mile away at 1.18ac,not sure what they’ll do.

Rednoc · Nov 24, 2022

looking into storage atm ,1.2m concrete towers with cover and airiation 250k or a bag same spec 160k, surly the bag a better option? whats every1s thorts on this

PDB · Nov 24, 2022

Homesy said:
Don’t bother. It crusts anyway. There is not enough money available to cover every earth bank lagoon. My neighbour has a covered and lined lagoon. Nightmare to stir. The cover is off more than it is on. Covers only keep the rain water out. My neighbour’s has vents which leak all the methane out. So much so that you can light the gas coming out. The slurry still stinks when he spreads it. Aside from the rain water what is the point ? ? ?
I would love to see some peer reviewed studies rather than salesmen’s blurb to see the actual benefits of covers once the slurry is spread. I bet the benefits are tiny. There are some floating hexagon disks which allegedly do the same job as a sheet type cover bar keeping the rain water out. A lot easier to manage than a sheet and may be enough to tick a box for the EA depending on who you speak to.

I agree, it’s totally impractical. But they are insisting on covers for the grant claim…

as for chucking a load of plastic shapes in

rusty · Nov 25, 2022

Homesy said:
Don’t bother. It crusts anyway. There is not enough money available to cover every earth bank lagoon. My neighbour has a covered and lined lagoon. Nightmare to stir. The cover is off more than it is on. Covers only keep the rain water out. My neighbour’s has vents which leak all the methane out. So much so that you can light the gas coming out. The slurry still stinks when he spreads it. Aside from the rain water what is the point ? ? ?
I would love to see some peer reviewed studies rather than salesmen’s blurb to see the actual benefits of covers once the slurry is spread. I bet the benefits are tiny. There are some floating hexagon disks which allegedly do the same job as a sheet type cover bar keeping the rain water out. A lot easier to manage than a sheet and may be enough to tick a box for the EA depending on who you speak to.

I priced the hexagon plastic tiles up for my earth band lagoon. It’s 58m by 58m at the top,of the bank and holds 2.5 million gallons but 1 million gallons of that capacity is for rainwater and free board. The hexagons would have cost £60,000! The clay Leca balls were a cheaper option and you could in theory drop your stirrer in through them.

J Magee · Nov 25, 2022

vantage · Nov 25, 2022

eulb said:
A lagoon near here is 4.14acres,same farm has another at 1.6ac and a third half a mile away at 1.18ac,not sure what they’ll do.

More reservoir than lagoon!

rusty said:
I priced the hexagon plastic tiles up for my earth band lagoon. It’s 58m by 58m at the top,of the bank and holds 2.5 million gallons but 1 million gallons of that capacity is for rainwater and free board. The hexagons would have cost £60,000! The clay Leca balls were a cheaper option and you could in theory drop your stirrer in through them.

Wow, how deep is your pit if 40% of capacity is rainwater/ free board.
Never understood free board, it’s there but you’re not supposed to use it. :scratchhead:

rusty · Nov 26, 2022

The pit is 4m deep and 50 by 50 in the bottom with 45 degree banks. You have to have 0.75m freeboard on a lagoon but only 0.3m on a tin tank.
The difference in cost between digging a big hole and digging a very big hole isn’t that much!

Homesy · Nov 26, 2022

rusty said:
I priced the hexagon plastic tiles up for my earth band lagoon. It’s 58m by 58m at the top,of the bank and holds 2.5 million gallons but 1 million gallons of that capacity is for rainwater and free board. The hexagons would have cost £60,000! The clay Leca balls were a cheaper option and you could in theory drop your stirrer in through them.

How much is a sheet type cover ?

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