Gas pipeline

Cider · Nov 26, 2022

Wales and West Utilities want to replace the gas pipe running under arable land. The redundant line will remain in place.
Offered me an easement payment and a consent payment.
I have appointed an agent (that they are paying for) but does anyone know what price per meter these two payments typically are?
Property/crop damage in addition to this when work finishes.

Jo28 · Nov 26, 2022

what they pay is a pittance for the damage and aggravation they cause

HAM135 · Nov 26, 2022

We had a high pressure gas main put through a bit of land we had bought five years previous,get a good agent,paid about half what we bought the place for with little after effects,also had crop loss compensation for 20yrs after

Overby · Nov 26, 2022

I cant recall exact sums but we had similar a few years ago and it was a considerable amount. The agent will sort it

yellowbelly · Nov 26, 2022

HAM135 said:
We had a high pressure gas main put through a bit of land we had bought five years previous,get a good agent,paid about half what we bought the place for with little after effects,also had crop loss compensation for 20yrs after

You must have a really good agent.

We had a water pipe through before lockdown.
Only received the initial payment for loss of use and reinstatement last year.
The crop loss compensation is for three years and we haven't seen a penny of it yet.
Anglian Water are a bunch of ar$eholes and I'm beginning to think our agent isn't much better.

HAM135 · Nov 26, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You must have a really good agent.

We had a water pipe through before lockdown.
Only received the initial payment for loss of use and reinstatement last year.
The crop loss compensation is for three years and we haven't seen a penny of it yet.
Anglian Water are a bunch of ar$eholes and I'm beginning to think our agent isn't much better.

Don't think water boards are good to work with,it was Transco we dealt with,used savills as our agents ,we ended up getting a new water supply including borehole put in with 10yrs running costs also included,it was a far better experience than I had thought when we were first approached about it.

carbonfibre farmer · Nov 26, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You must have a really good agent.

We had a water pipe through before lockdown.
Only received the initial payment for loss of use and reinstatement last year.
The crop loss compensation is for three years and we haven't seen a penny of it yet.
Anglian Water are a bunch of ar$eholes and I'm beginning to think our agent isn't much better.

@Richard98 Is currently having problems with an anglian water pipeline going in

I think his dad's opinion would be that ar$sholes would be too kind by far.

From the outside in, they look a total incompetent bunch of feckless idiots.

I think whatever they are paying it isn't enough.

killie_cowboy · Nov 26, 2022

If there's one thing about utility companies is that they're either blithering idiots or wreckless barstewards. We had Scottish power leading an underground cable which was actually entirely pointless, but that's another story, either way, they dug right through the stone drains and we were there at the same time trying to sort them before they backfilled it all. Same story with the roadside drains BT fekked when leading cables across it. They just think they're digging on virgin ground, it's the UK, it never is. Oh, and they leave all their sh!t at their backside.

Highland Mule · Nov 26, 2022

Cider said:
The redundant line will remain in place.

Don’t accept that, whatever else. Insist it’s removed and all environmental remediation undertaken. You don’t want to get left with a liability.

yellowbelly · Nov 26, 2022

HAM135 said:
Don't think water boards are good to work with,it was Transco we dealt with,used savills as our agents ,we ended up getting a new water supply including borehole put in with 10yrs running costs also included,it was a far better experience than I had thought when we were first approached about it.

Savills are our problem - they're working for Anglian Water and running rings round our agents, even though all of us locally decided to use the same agent to try and give them a bit more clout, as we'd all be 'singing from the same hymn sheet', so to speak.

The pipeline ran along the top of the slope through us so only cut drainage pipes where they started and hasn't caused a problem.
Where they crossed our neighbour's it cut all their land drains near the outfalls and is an almighty f€ck up. They still haven't reinstated it properly.

puppet · Nov 26, 2022

yellowbelly said:
You must have a really good agent.

We had a water pipe through before lockdown.
Only received the initial payment for loss of use and reinstatement last year.
The crop loss compensation is for three years and we haven't seen a penny of it yet.
Anglian Water are a bunch of ar$eholes and I'm beginning to think our agent isn't much better.

Never, ever allow a single footstep far less a digger on the land without money up front. We have big pipeline here. 50% of servitude on getting planning, 25% when fences go up. Balance at end of work. Calculated per metre. Then there is compensation for disruption. Keep a diary of every phone call, meeting and checking gates are shut. Loss of subsidy, time moving stock. Try to stipulate the fencing materials and offer to dismantle it for free. Ours used cheap gates which allowed lambs through then had to tie plastic netting and then rylock to make it stock proof so cost 3 times as much. Don't be afraid on checking what they are doing as you know where drains run and get any changes in writing or they will deny the conversation took place.
After all that was a good earner.

HAM135 · Nov 26, 2022

yellowbelly said:
Savills are our problem - they're working for Anglian Water and running rings round our agents, even though all of us locally decided to use the same agent to try and give them a bit more clout, as we'd all be 'singing from the same hymn sheet', so to speak.

The pipeline ran along the top of the slope through us so only cut drainage pipes where they started and hasn't caused a problem.
Where they crossed our neighbour's it cut all their land drains near the outfalls and is an almighty f€ck up. They still haven't reinstated it properly.

Savills had been agents for Transco on the previous section so they knew exactly what they could claim for,all drains reinstated,all fencing material left for us,500m new roadside fence,new water supply,have heard that gas is the one you want to go through your land out of all the utilities, certainly can't complain here,was a bit sceptical when they first approached us though.

Flatlander · Nov 26, 2022

I have four huge gas pips that cross three field. Put in the ground long before I bought it. I’ve done surface drainage work across the pipe and in one place I’ve taken it below thier safe soil coverage depth. Just for taking their calls and allowing them foot access to measure the soil depth I received a thousand dollars. Gave them some story about not wanting them to bring in soil from outside the field for weed seed and club root fears and they agreed to pay 450 $ an hour to do the work myself while they watch to make sure it the correct depth.
if they don’t want to pay fir your pipe tell them no crossing your land. They are more than likely a private company and would have no right to force an easement.

Henarar · Nov 26, 2022

We had a water main put across three fields, made them drain alongside the water pipe with proper smooth bore drain pipe and fill to nearly the top with stone as they will never find all the old stone drains though to be fair they connected any they could see easy, this worked well, we also had an agreement that if there were any drainage troubles in a few years after they would come back and fix them which they did for one wet spot.

they fenced both sides with decent stakes sheep wire and barbed and we had two 15 foot gates each side at crossing points so they would close together if we needed to get animals across, we took down and kept it all once they had finished

they paid a fair bit up front and paid well enough all in all, yes there was some hassle but not to bad

ollie989898 · Nov 26, 2022

Seems a perilous process with a whole range of possible outcomes involved. I'd want a good agent that had experience of this kind of thing.

neilo · Nov 26, 2022

Henarar said:
We had a water main put across three fields, made them drain alongside the water pipe with proper smooth bore drain pipe and fill to nearly the top with stone as they will never find all the old stone drains though to be fair they connected any they could see easy, this worked well, we also had an agreement that if there were any drainage troubles in a few years after they would come back and fix them which they did for one wet spot.

they fenced both sides with decent stakes sheep wire and barbed and we had two 15 foot gates each side at crossing points so they would close together if we needed to get animals across, we took down and kept it all once they had finished

they paid a fair bit up front and paid well enough all in all, yes there was some hassle but not to bad

Same at home, although they used the cheapest materials available for their temporary fencing. Wire was all reused elsewhere after though.

Neighbour, that we used to have as grass keep, made them reinstate his back to ridge & furrow afterwards.

steveR · Nov 26, 2022

Henarar said:
We had a water main put across three fields, made them drain alongside the water pipe with proper smooth bore drain pipe and fill to nearly the top with stone as they will never find all the old stone drains though to be fair they connected any they could see easy, this worked well, we also had an agreement that if there were any drainage troubles in a few years after they would come back and fix them which they did for one wet spot.

they fenced both sides with decent stakes sheep wire and barbed and we had two 15 foot gates each side at crossing points so they would close together if we needed to get animals across, we took down and kept it all once they had finished

they paid a fair bit up front and paid well enough all in all, yes there was some hassle but not to bad

This.

I insisted on this on the last two pipleline across us. Lot's of moaning and whinging, but i denied access to even test dig until that was agreed.
Top soil removed before work started, and then land subsoiled and drained and gravel to ground level, then top soil reinsatement.

ollie989898 · Nov 26, 2022

neilo said:
Same at home, although they used the cheapest materials available for their temporary fencing. Wire was all reused elsewhere after though.

Neighbour, that we used to have as grass keep, made them reinstate his back to ridge & furrow afterwards.

Why the heck would you want ridge and furrow put back?

steveR · Nov 26, 2022

ollie989898 said:
Seems a perilous process with a whole range of possible outcomes involved. I'd want a good agent that had experience of this kind of thing.

100% There are specialist about and are needed in such instances. Not "Bob down the Mart....."

steveR · Nov 26, 2022

puppet said:
Never, ever allow a single footstep far less a digger on the land without money up front. We have big pipeline here. 50% of servitude on getting planning, 25% when fences go up. Balance at end of work. Calculated per metre. Then there is compensation for disruption. Keep a diary of every phone call, meeting and checking gates are shut. Loss of subsidy, time moving stock. Try to stipulate the fencing materials and offer to dismantle it for free. Ours used cheap gates which allowed lambs through then had to tie plastic netting and then rylock to make it stock proof so cost 3 times as much. Don't be afraid on checking what they are doing as you know where drains run and get any changes in writing or they will deny the conversation took place.
After all that was a good earner.

£50/hr for official meetings etc ..?

Good GPS digital camera and notebook. I heard one ex farmer who is dead now, reckoned a small dicration machine was useful for the Landowner... And he worked on the "other side" for the gas Co

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