Gas pipeline

Matt14

Member
Livestock Farmer
You must have a really good agent.

We had a water pipe through before lockdown.
Only received the initial payment for loss of use and reinstatement last year.
The crop loss compensation is for three years and we haven't seen a penny of it yet.
Anglian Water are a bunch of ar$eholes and I'm beginning to think our agent isn't much better.
If you hadn't had a penny, I think I would dig it up😂
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Same at home, although they used the cheapest materials available for their temporary fencing. Wire was all reused elsewhere after though.

Neighbour, that we used to have as grass keep, made them reinstate his back to ridge & furrow afterwards. :facepalm:
They tried to do it on the cheap and brought small half round stakes here, made them load them up again and bring proper ones, this fence had to keep our cows/calves out for what turned out to be a year, we knew what mess to expect as they had been across a small field a few years before so had got a bit wise to the job, we had an agent and they done a good job
 

tepapa

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
North Wales
They tried to do it on the cheap and brought small half round stakes here, made them load them up again and bring proper ones, this fence had to keep our cows/calves out for what turned out to be a year, we knew what mess to expect as they had been across a small field a few years before so had got a bit wise to the job, we had an agent and they done a good job
You don't blame them to put up a cheap fence, as it's only temporary, but it still has to function as a fence and do its job for the life of the project. I think every temporary fence I've seen has failed within a month where 7' strainers have been used as a strainer and a gate post. Both sides have moved and the gates no longer close as they're angled towards the sky with gaps underneath sheep would walk through.

If someone's worried about the quality of the fencing make sure written that it's to be built to British standard BS1722/2/2020.
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Never, ever allow a single footstep far less a digger on the land without money up front. We have big pipeline here. 50% of servitude on getting planning, 25% when fences go up. Balance at end of work. Calculated per metre. Then there is compensation for disruption. Keep a diary of every phone call, meeting and checking gates are shut. Loss of subsidy, time moving stock. Try to stipulate the fencing materials and offer to dismantle it for free. Ours used cheap gates which allowed lambs through then had to tie plastic netting and then rylock to make it stock proof so cost 3 times as much. Don't be afraid on checking what they are doing as you know where drains run and get any changes in writing or they will deny the conversation took place.
After all that was a good earner.
This !
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
They tried to do it on the cheap and brought small half round stakes here, made them load them up again and bring proper ones, this fence had to keep our cows/calves out for what turned out to be a year, we knew what mess to expect as they had been across a small field a few years before so had got a bit wise to the job, we had an agent and they done a good job
Sadly, you cannot beat experience when dealing with these companies, their contractors and even worse, their sub-contractors...

Believe nothing, unless in writing. Agree nothing except in writing.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
You don't blame them to put up a cheap fence, as it's only temporary, but it still has to function as a fence and do its job for the life of the project. I think every temporary fence I've seen has failed within a month where 7' strainers have been used as a strainer and a gate post. Both sides have moved and the gates no longer close as they're angled towards the sky with gaps underneath sheep would walk through.

If someone's worried about the quality of the fencing make sure written that it's to be built to British standard BS1722/2/2020.
Yes as I said we had played before, lucky that was just a little field that we didn't mind just not using.
don't blame them for trying it on and as you say its only temporary that said had the fence failed and our cattle ended up stuck in the mud or upside down in their trench or just wandered down the end of the line and out on the road that would have been even more hassle.
 

Henarar

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
Sadly, you cannot beat experience when dealing with these companies, their contractors and even worse, their sub-contractors...

Believe nothing, unless in writing. Agree nothing except in writing.
Actually the guys doing the job were very good, I could talk to them and they knew there job and the chap from the water company that was running the job was fine as well. this was a few years ago and things may have changed,
I was talking to an agent not long ago and he said the the water and eclectic lot were fine to deal with in the main but these lot putting in broadband were a different matter
 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Actually the guys doing the job were very good, I could talk to them and they knew there job and the chap from the water company that was running the job was fine as well. this was a few years ago and things may have changed,
I was talking to an agent not long ago and he said the the water and eclectic lot were fine to deal with in the main but these lot putting in broadband were a different matter

Openreach gangs seem to fall out between themselves. We’ve just had a fibre cable trenched across a few fields to the house. One gang of three did the trenching, slowly. Their original planned route would have followed the water main to the farm & cottages, which would have been carnage with a trencher.
Next gang (of 2) came out to pull the cable through on a rope. They complained about the bends the trenching guys had put in, pulled the cable through 3/4 of the length, then disappeared.
Next a gang (of 3) came out to work out why they hadn’t got a signal from one end of the cable to the other. They were running the ‘rope pulling’ gang down as they’d not even pulled all the cable through, and the joints they’d used were sealed badly.
Next another gang (of 2) came out to try to find the faults that had cut off the phone from 2 of the cottages, eventually finding where the trenching gang had snagged the underground phone cable, which they said was quite common.

We’re still awaiting connection from the pole, 40m from the house.

Having seen them all at work, if it wasn’t to supply us with fibre, I think I’d tell them to go round.🤐
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Agreed. Some of the agents I used to deal with were hopeless. Others were only interested in the quantum of their fees. A good agent on the other hand would have the client’s interests at heart.

We could do with a specific thread on here detailing good agents in different areas of the country. With comments underneath of what work they have done for forum members and their experiences and opinions.

Could be worth an enormous amount to members.
 

Flatland guy

Member
Location
Lincolnshire
Got a big high pressure one here. It was put in late 70s, early 80s. The drains they put in are at the stage of needing replaced. However they are quite shallow so need to be careful, is there any comeback on historic stuff like this?
Do you get an annual wayleave? If not it may be an easement where whoever owned the land at the time took the one-off payment money at the beginning for however long was stipulated in the easement agreement (could be 99 or 999 years). Is it gas or water, somebody from that company should come out and be able to tell you the location and depth of the pipe, also request an information pack of what was agreed at the time.
I have heard reports of manually digging over the cable/pipe routes once they get to subsoil for replacement drains etc due to the £££ damage if they get hit.
 

puppet

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
sw scotland
Any works near a gas pipe needs to be notified to check on line and depth. Mini digger over pipe, no bucket teeth or a spade if it is close.
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
We could do with a specific thread on here detailing good agents in different areas of the country. With comments underneath of what work they have done for forum members and their experiences and opinions.

Could be worth an enormous amount to members.

After 7 likes of my post it seems this was a popular idea so I've started a thread off in the hope it will continue....

 

Phil P

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
North West
Got a big high pressure one here. It was put in late 70s, early 80s. The drains they put in are at the stage of needing replaced. However they are quite shallow so need to be careful, is there any comeback on historic stuff like this?
Two neighbours with a gas main across them have just had a strip of land compulsory purchased! The pipe has lifted and was getting hit while ploughing or cultivating 😱. Gas company refused to re-lay it deeper!
The fields where lovely and square before as well, now they’re cut virtually in half diagonally 🤦🏻‍♂️
 

Steevo

Member
Location
Gloucestershire
Two neighbours with a gas main across them have just had a strip of land compulsory purchased! The pipe has lifted and was getting hit while ploughing or cultivating 😱. Gas company refused to re-lay it deeper!
The fields where lovely and square before as well, now they’re cut virtually in half diagonally 🤦🏻‍♂️

:mad:

It's appalling that things like this should be allowed to happen. These allowed/delegated powers are just being abused in order to reduce responsibility and therefore cost, and allow the big wigs to be paid their bonuses.
 

Richard98

Member
Only just found this thread but as @carbonfibre farmer said, we're dealing with Anglian water at the moment, what a complete and utter shower. meant to start in April, finally turned up in august, pee'd about and basically didn't do a lot until November when it was wet. Dad begun by being nice but since it started going pear shaped, he's given them absolute hell and unfortunately it seems to be the only way to get things done. He's after them every day, and you need to be - he's made them re route to avoid drains, put valves in banks not middles of fields etc, inspected repairs on every drain etc. if you leave them alone they'll do whatever they feel like.
As others have said:
Have a good agent
Write down all the time and dates etc you spend on anything related to it
keep after them
get some money up front
fight fire with fire!
 

Exfarmer

Member
Location
Bury St Edmunds
Only just found this thread but as @carbonfibre farmer said, we're dealing with Anglian water at the moment, what a complete and utter shower. meant to start in April, finally turned up in august, pee'd about and basically didn't do a lot until November when it was wet. Dad begun by being nice but since it started going pear shaped, he's given them absolute hell and unfortunately it seems to be the only way to get things done. He's after them every day, and you need to be - he's made them re route to avoid drains, put valves in banks not middles of fields etc, inspected repairs on every drain etc. if you leave them alone they'll do whatever they feel like.
As others have said:
Have a good agent
Write down all the time and dates etc you spend on anything related to it
keep after them
get some money up front
fight fire with fire!
Your dad is absolutely right
 

robs1

Member
They tried to do it on the cheap and brought small half round stakes here, made them load them up again and bring proper ones, this fence had to keep our cows/calves out for what turned out to be a year, we knew what mess to expect as they had been across a small field a few years before so had got a bit wise to the job, we had an agent and they done a good job
Who did you use ? We are expecting our nat grid line to be restrung next year and the firm we have used for years are now crap.
 

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