Full time farming to part time?

Adeptandy

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Arable Farmer
Location
PE15
We have a lot a houses built on piles here, so add in crawling under houses on damp mouldy earth and bugger all room to your list. Not a job I'd want, milking cows much nicer in my opinion.
Industrial work not easy either.

All jobs look good to outsiders, some are, some aren't. You never know unless you try. Go get some tickets (y)
Forgot about the mobile homes, or was that, I try and forget about them, horrible things to work under 😏
 

Magik22

Member
In a later post you say 80 suckler cows & 500 ewes.

If that is not a full time wage, pack it up.

Where abouts are you, type of land?
Not sure how to answer that. But I’ll give it a go;

I’m on hard hill ground.

what do you determine as a full time wage? Most recent copy of Ag budget and costings book gives hill store lamb production gross margin at £28.53/ewe x 500 = £14,265

LFA sucklers at £21 per cow x 80 = £1680

These are not my exact figures but give a fairly good representation.

And remember that’s gross figures, start taking the overheads off that doesn’t leave much of a wage!

As I also said, very pointless comparing farms and systems in that way, my neighbours 2 minutes down the road are in a completely different situation to myself and so on. If you’re happy staying on farm dealing with the stock all the time, that’s not the wrong thing to do if it works for you, I’m just asking how it’s worked for people who have done something different.

And I didn’t suggest I want to pack it in, because that’s not what I want to do….there’s always one!
 

DRC

Member
Not sure how to answer that. But I’ll give it a go;

I’m on hard hill ground.

what do you determine as a full time wage? Most recent copy of Ag budget and costings book gives hill store lamb production gross margin at £28.53/ewe x 500 = £14,265

LFA sucklers at £21 per cow x 80 = £1680

These are not my exact figures but give a fairly good representation.

And remember that’s gross figures, start taking the overheads off that doesn’t leave much of a wage!

As I also said, very pointless comparing farms and systems in that way, my neighbours 2 minutes down the road are in a completely different situation to myself and so on. If you’re happy staying on farm dealing with the stock all the time, that’s not the wrong thing to do if it works for you, I’m just asking how it’s worked for people who have done something different.

And I didn’t suggest I want to pack it in, because that’s not what I want to do….there’s always one!
Could you market your own produce maybe. Boxed meat, farmers market or do what my cousin did successfully , build your own farm shop. I appreciate location might not make this possible .
 
Not sure how to answer that. But I’ll give it a go;

I’m on hard hill ground.

what do you determine as a full time wage? Most recent copy of Ag budget and costings book gives hill store lamb production gross margin at £28.53/ewe x 500 = £14,265

LFA sucklers at £21 per cow x 80 = £1680

These are not my exact figures but give a fairly good representation.

And remember that’s gross figures, start taking the overheads off that doesn’t leave much of a wage!

As I also said, very pointless comparing farms and systems in that way, my neighbours 2 minutes down the road are in a completely different situation to myself and so on. If you’re happy staying on farm dealing with the stock all the time, that’s not the wrong thing to do if it works for you, I’m just asking how it’s worked for people who have done something different.

And I didn’t suggest I want to pack it in, because that’s not what I want to do….there’s always one!
I'm trying to be realistic, I've got decisions to make myself. But locally anyone with a part time farm comes home to stolen gates & drained diseal tanks but I've maybe 5 million people within 45 minutes driving distance.

Even stolen fences, one farmer locally has had all his new wire galvanised with a pink dye.

That number of stock is a full time job as I see it. How about rebuilding walls, putting some land to forestry or wildlife schemes. Maybe earn extra shearing or helping labour only locally with silage, hay or reseeding. You may not have crime where you are but consider the risk & the cost of any stock that die whilst you are away.
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
Not sure how to answer that. But I’ll give it a go;

I’m on hard hill ground.

what do you determine as a full time wage? Most recent copy of Ag budget and costings book gives hill store lamb production gross margin at £28.53/ewe x 500 = £14,265

LFA sucklers at £21 per cow x 80 = £1680

These are not my exact figures but give a fairly good representation.

And remember that’s gross figures, start taking the overheads off that doesn’t leave much of a wage!

As I also said, very pointless comparing farms and systems in that way, my neighbours 2 minutes down the road are in a completely different situation to myself and so on. If you’re happy staying on farm dealing with the stock all the time, that’s not the wrong thing to do if it works for you, I’m just asking how it’s worked for people who have done something different.

And I didn’t suggest I want to pack it in, because that’s not what I want to do….there’s always one!
What part of the world are you in, is there any other household income or just you on the farm?
 

Magik22

Member
I'm trying to be realistic, I've got decisions to make myself. But locally anyone with a part time farm comes home to stolen gates & drained diseal tanks but I've maybe 5 million people within 45 minutes driving distance.

Even stolen fences, one farmer locally has had all his new wire galvanised with a pink dye.

That number of stock is a full time job as I see it. How about rebuilding walls, putting some land to forestry or wildlife schemes. Maybe earn extra shearing or helping labour only locally with silage, hay or reseeding. You may not have crime where you are but consider the risk & the cost of any stock that die whilst you are away.
I appreciate that, I think that’s why I say it’s a difficult to compare situations in that way. I’m lucky enough that I don’t have a major crime risk in my area, touch wood!
Those are all possible options. I think in an ideal world id be able to start a side business on farm, I just haven’t worked out what that would be yet!
 

kiwi pom

Member
Location
canterbury NZ
I’m south West uk. Just me on the farm now, partner is on maternity and not sure she’ll be going back to work for a while yet
So going to be busy with children soon too? You certainly seem to have a decent number of stock, how many hours a week do you think you could manage away from the farm? The trouble with doing something else is you can't always do it at times that suit you or your partner, so everything becomes a juggling act.
Don't know what your partner does but if she's in a good job and wants to go back don't rule out farming and looking after the kids and have her job be the extra income.
 
Location
Devon
I think that rubbish, I will have 1700 ewes and 3500 dry sheep to look after on my own, won’t take more than 3 hours to check every sheep and sort any problems.
Yes but are you also responsible in your new job for all the other farm jobs like doing all the paperwork for accounts and stock movements/ farm assurance etc? , do you have to do any jobs like hedging/ ditching/ putting up new gate posts/ fences etc? maintain/ repair sheds/ machinery etc? do you have to make any forage crops/ plant catch crops/ put in reseeds etc ? deal with suppliers/ buyers etc and so the long list goes on!

Checking stock once a day is not even 1/3rd of the amount of jobs most farmers have to do to run their farms 52 weeks of the year!
 

Estate fencing.

Member
Livestock Farmer
Yes but are you also responsible in your new job for all the other farm jobs like doing all the paperwork for accounts and stock movements/ farm assurance etc? , do you have to do any jobs like hedging/ ditching/ putting up new gate posts/ fences etc? maintain/ repair sheds/ machinery etc? do you have to make any forage crops/ plant catch crops/ put in reseeds etc ? deal with suppliers/ buyers etc and so the long list goes on!

Checking stock once a day is not even 1/3rd of the amount of jobs most farmers have to do to run their farms 52 weeks of the year!
Yeah most of that. Only jobs I won’t do is ditching (because we don’t have those)/ hedge cutting and contract fencers do most the fencing I will do am emergency fencing. I will add that I will do a third of the shearing and all the dipping myself. Christ it’s not that bloody hard on a 2000 acres of ring fenced grass, I won’t how ever be watching the turkey or pet lamb trade 3 days a weeks and chatting up women in markets. Anyway I said it would only take 3 hours a day or a third of my time to do the checking, som farmer said that I would be impossible to look round 1000 sheep properly.
 
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So going to be busy with children soon too? You certainly seem to have a decent number of stock, how many hours a week do you think you could manage away from the farm? The trouble with doing something else is you can't always do it at times that suit you or your partner, so everything becomes a juggling act.
Don't know what your partner does but if she's in a good job and wants to go back don't rule out farming and looking after the kids and have her job be the extra income.
Hers will likely be the main income and the farm the side hustle.
 

som farmer

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Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
Yeah most of that. Only jobs I won’t do is ditching (because we don’t have those)/ hedge cutting and contract fencers do most the fencing I will do am emergency fencing. I will add that I will do a third of the shearing and all the dipping myself. Christ it’s not that bloody hard on a 2000 acres of ring fenced grass, I won’t how ever be watching the turkey or pet lamb trade 3 days a weeks and chatting up women in markets. Anyway I said it would only take 3 hours a day or a third of my time to do the checking, som farmer said that I would be impossible to look round 1000 sheep properly.
you will be allright, till someone finds a problem, a big one, and it will all unravel in front of you.
nothing you can do about it, some miserable old git will decide you don't look after your sheep properly, and bang.

we had someone prowling around our buildings, for a year, without us knowing, took her that long, to find 'something' she could exploit, camera's are funny things, they can make something simple, look horrendous. Immediate RT and min inspection, who both found nothing wrong, what so ever, hours of hassle followed.

if you have several 1000 sheep, you will have some limpers, any walkers rambling through, it doesn't take much, 2000 acres, will have footpaths...........

good luck to you, but don't think you escape criticism, you won't, you can't avoid walkers, you only need 1, and you are fudged
 

onesiedale

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Derbyshire
Not sure how to answer that. But I’ll give it a go;

I’m on hard hill ground.

what do you determine as a full time wage? Most recent copy of Ag budget and costings book gives hill store lamb production gross margin at £28.53/ewe x 500 = £14,265

LFA sucklers at £21 per cow x 80 = £1680

These are not my exact figures but give a fairly good representation.

And remember that’s gross figures, start taking the overheads off that doesn’t leave much of a wage!

As I also said, very pointless comparing farms and systems in that way, my neighbours 2 minutes down the road are in a completely different situation to myself and so on. If you’re happy staying on farm dealing with the stock all the time, that’s not the wrong thing to do if it works for you, I’m just asking how it’s worked for people who have done something different.

And I didn’t suggest I want to pack it in, because that’s not what I want to do….there’s always one!
I think before you take on anything off farm, you need to make on-farm as simple and cost effective as possible.
That way you will see how much time it allows you first, as well as weighing up the realistic costings.
You quotes pocketbook type costings.....but do you know your own?
take some time to carefully look at your own numbers, see where the true gains can be made.
Very often, the profitability and resilience of livestock is in the ability to NOT spend money rather than trying to make extra money.
 

som farmer

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
somerset
I think before you take on anything off farm, you need to make on-farm as simple and cost effective as possible.
That way you will see how much time it allows you first, as well as weighing up the realistic costings.
You quotes pocketbook type costings.....but do you know your own?
take some time to carefully look at your own numbers, see where the true gains can be made.
Very often, the profitability and resilience of livestock is in the ability to NOT spend money rather than trying to make extra money.
and the figures quoted are average figures
simplifying a system, pretty well always results in saving money, though reps will tell you the opposite.
the more money you save, the less you have to make, dog and stick principle, but it works.
 

Kiwi Pete

Member
Livestock Farmer
I work for a local haulage company, mainly in offroad trucks spreading lime and fert.

Being multicapable (meaning, we can turn our hand to damn near anything, and can problem-solve, etc) is a huge help as rainy days I'm welding up cracks in alloy stockcrates or moving stock.

Upsides:
-Not hanging around the farm like a bad smell, inventing things jobs to do and spending money
-Income fortnightly, so the household isn't drawing off the farm
-Networking with all the farmers in the wider area that I wouldn't otherwise see

Downsides:
Being self-employed for a while makes you less employable / less of a "yes man"
Need a flexible, understanding boss who gets you have a business to run (I do)
Need a good systems approach and appropriate infrastructure on-farm to give time to go to work
Need a support crew so that when work needs doing, it gets done, not just talked about

Having said that, it's time for a change for me, driving isn't helping my knees so I'm going to run a big farm for a while
 

Wood field

Member
Livestock Farmer
and the figures quoted are average figures
simplifying a system, pretty well always results in saving money, though reps will tell you the opposite.
the more money you save, the less you have to make, dog and stick principle, but it works.
I was told that years ago by a chap at myerscough ( sp) college
Keep it simple, keep it cheap and stock to suit the ground
 

Estate fencing.

Member
Livestock Farmer
you will be allright, till someone finds a problem, a big one, and it will all unravel in front of you.
nothing you can do about it, some miserable old git will decide you don't look after your sheep properly, and bang.

we had someone prowling around our buildings, for a year, without us knowing, took her that long, to find 'something' she could exploit, camera's are funny things, they can make something simple, look horrendous. Immediate RT and min inspection, who both found nothing wrong, what so ever, hours of hassle followed.

if you have several 1000 sheep, you will have some limpers, any walkers rambling through, it doesn't take much, 2000 acres, will have footpaths...........

good luck to you, but don't think you escape criticism, you won't, you can't avoid walkers, you only need 1, and you are fudged
I understand where you are coming from but have no fear of that, I shepherd a nt farm atm so get enough idiots. The 2 main tools are records of treated animals and take the non responders to the kennel. Having big number doesn’t mean you are cruel, the worst are the people with a few imo.
 

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