TexX ewes - which Tup to use?

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
Lambing is pretty much over. Was going strong still around 20 a day up to Thursday, then it pretty abruptly stopped - there's 15-20 left to lamb (plus the ewe hoggs)

I would need to count up properly but even with the god awful rain I think it's actually been a very good lambing. The inbye ewes with Texel lambs have been exceptional with very few losses. The singles have been about as trouble free as I've seen them, only 2 found with hung lambs, only 1 with a swollen head... a handful stuck needed a wee pull though.

Hill twins have done well but as usual it tends to be the maiden Gimmers which have lost the most lambs - some a touch softer, inexperienced mothers, some frustratingly found 1 live 1 dead... just the usual really.


Early lambers have done really well - despite being very drawn out.

Pure Texels have done fine - there's 2 still to lamb, 1 from Longtown and 1 of my own which should be inlamb, but if she lambs won't be until late April when the Beltex finally raddled her🤦🏻‍♂️

Entropion has ruined what was going well with the Longtown ewes. I've a single ewe lamb which is totally blind and another on a twin gone in 1 eye. They lambed outside in all that rain, totally fine and got hunkered up under bushes and trees for a good few days. I could see they were looking fine and healthy but couldn't get close to them so left them to it. Wasn't until the rains cleared away and the ewes and lambs all came out into the open I could see the eyes weren't right. Pretty sickening really, I've seen Entropion before but usually very mild and clears up even if I've seen it late - I've never had a lamb lose an eye/go blind before so I'm pretty shocked by it all.


Have gone soft in my old(er) age, grass is growing but I've decided to feed the ewes again so back out with the snacker this morning chucking money on the ground 🙄
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Singles up on the highest ground, just waiting on the last ones lambing so I can spray them for ticks and put them back to the hill

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Inbye Texel lambs
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
Are you sure the eye's gone rather than just scored and infected?

We've never had a lamb lost an eye with it.

The eye isn't white.


Best way to describe it - it looks like frog spawn, as the tadpole is leaving the egg....



I've treated them, like I do all Entropion cases but there's been no improvement - and that's been almost a week
 

yoki

Member
Sounds like it's been scored and then infected.

You need to get the eyelid out and then a bit of pen-strep into the eye, although you generally end up with some in it as a result of the procedure anyway.

An eye can look like a lost cause and recover remarkable quickly if the appropriate action is taken.

In my experience anyway.
 

yellowbelly

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Livestock Farmer
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N.Lincs
Best way to describe it - it looks like frog spawn, as the tadpole is leaving the egg....
That's well and truly fecked.
Never seen entropian do that much damage before.

Picked a ewe up on the Warren, just before tupping time, on her own and walking round and bumping into things.
Pink eye in one eye and the other looking like yours with jelly coming out of it.
Look a helluva mess. Don't know whether she'd had pink eye in it and it had gone horribly wrong or if she'd poked something in it.
Had her in the shed for weeks 'til it healed over.
She's totally blind in it now but I'm surprised how 'normal' it looks.

She lost tons of flesh while it came right. She'll soon be good enough to go to the kebab shop.
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
That's well and truly fecked.
Never seen entropian do that much damage before.

Picked a ewe up on the Warren, just before tupping time, on her own and walking round and bumping into things.
Pink eye in one eye and the other looking like yours with jelly coming out of it.
Look a helluva mess. Don't know whether she'd had pink eye in it and it had gone horribly wrong or if she'd poked something in it.
Had her in the shed for weeks 'til it healed over.
She's totally blind in it now but I'm surprised how 'normal' it looks.

She lost tons of flesh while it came right. She'll soon be good enough to go to the kebab shop.

It's sickening.
If the weather had been better I'd have gotten it a lot sooner and hopefully saved it.

The 2 ewes are noted in the book, if their lambs do it next year - using my own stock tup, they'll be culled.



I am still hoping the lamb will come good in 1 eye - enough to sell it fat, but the other is truly awful.
She's a bloody good ewe lamb too 😒
 

TlymarT_028

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Livestock Farmer
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North West
It's sickening.
If the weather had been better I'd have gotten it a lot sooner and hopefully saved it.

The 2 ewes are noted in the book, if their lambs do it next year - using my own stock tup, they'll be culled.



I am still hoping the lamb will come good in 1 eye - enough to sell it fat, but the other is truly awful.
She's a bloody good ewe lamb too 😒
It's hellish when something like this happens..always the good ones and always soul destroying.

I know from what you described, it won't be coming right anytime soon but if she hadn't done herself that bad and it was a much milder case would you still send the lamb fat? Ie. would entropion in a ewe lamb stop you keeping her to breed from?

Never thought about it as a genetic/cullable offence :unsure:
 
It's hellish when something like this happens..always the good ones and always soul destroying.

I know from what you described, it won't be coming right anytime soon but if she hadn't done herself that bad and it was a much milder case would you still send the lamb fat? Ie. would entropion in a ewe lamb stop you keeping her to breed from?

Never thought about it as a genetic/cullable offence :unsure:
Yes, it's genetic. Anything with it should only go one way.
 

Hill Ground

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Livestock Farmer
We've got a run of it in our bought in-lamb ewes this time. The sub cut eyelid trick is v good, but feels risky when your doing it!! I've culled tups for throwing lambs with it before now.

Another good reason for trying to breed a few of our own!!
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
It's hellish when something like this happens..always the good ones and always soul destroying.

I know from what you described, it won't be coming right anytime soon but if she hadn't done herself that bad and it was a much milder case would you still send the lamb fat? Ie. would entropion in a ewe lamb stop you keeping her to breed from?

Never thought about it as a genetic/cullable offence :unsure:

Definitely cull

The ewes will be retained and I'll try them with one of my own - proven - tups. If there's more cases next year, the offending ewes will also be culled.
 

Ant Rim

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Other half of the Texel twins in and done today. These ewes appear to be doing better, they might actually clip! Lambs are looking real good in this mob
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Noticed this morning the twins which I gave the cocci dose to 3 weeks ago, a few lambs have gone dirty. Just around the tail, not the Cocci scour where they get it down their legs.
I did worm them at that time as NADIS had us at Amber for Nemo - but it was snowing as I was doing them and felt like I was wasting my time, but they were in anyway (I do much prefer to dose for Nemo and cocci at the same time due to how the 2 parasites work off each other!). So I've gathered them and walked them over tonight to where the yard is set up, so that's tomorrows job. Been beautiful weather but I've just seen tomorrow is to be wet 🤦🏻‍♂️
@Nithsdale Farmer - have you ever had any issue with dosing for Cocci and Nemo at the same time? I'm assuming there isn't a product out there that covers both?
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
@Nithsdale Farmer - have you ever had any issue with dosing for Cocci and Nemo at the same time? I'm assuming there isn't a product out there that covers both?

No, there's no dual dose for worms and cocci (drugs company are missing a trick there IMO), I've given both doses on same day for what must be coming on 20 years never any issues.



IMO given how Cocci strip out the gut lining, it is sensible to dose for Nemo at the same time as Cocci as a precaution - as an extremely high Nemo burden will burst through the weakened gut lining, killing the lamb.
 

aangus

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cumbria
No, there's no dual dose for worms and cocci (drugs company are missing a trick there IMO), I've given both doses on same day for what must be coming on 20 years never any issues.



IMO given how Cocci strip out the gut lining, it is sensible to dose for Nemo at the same time as Cocci as a precaution - as an extremely high Nemo burden will burst through the weakened gut lining, killing the lamb.
Is it possible to mix the 2 doses together?
 

Nithsdale

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Livestock Farmer
Is it possible to mix the 2 doses together?


Hmmm official line is you don't mix anthelmintics with anything.


The carrier liquid which Vecoxan is in doesn't like any 'contamination'. I mistakenly put Vecoxan into a bottle which I thought I had washed out, but hadn't. I can't remember what the other dose was, probably one of the fluke ones... The whole lot curdled instantly. I wrote off 2 litres - bloody expensive mistake 😢
 

firther

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Location
holmfirth
Hmmm official line is you don't mix anthelmintics with anything.


The carrier liquid which Vecoxan is in doesn't like any 'contamination'. I mistakenly put Vecoxan into a bottle which I thought I had washed out, but hadn't. I can't remember what the other dose was, probably one of the fluke ones... The whole lot curdled instantly. I wrote off 2 litres - bloody expensive mistake 😢
it does curdle it happened to me in drenching gun 😂
 

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