George Monbiot, TFF in 'The Guardian'.

topground · May 4, 2023

Just imagine the fun we could have if Monbiot had the balls to come on here in his own name and debate his line of argument. He could also provide us with his answers to the problem humanity has with feeding itself.

topground · May 4, 2023

PSQ said:
George Monbiot loves to reference his rambling articles in the Guardian with 'facts' he's found on Google. And the week, as usual, he's pointing the finger of blame for all the worlds ills on farmers, and quoting TFF with regard to the river Lugg incident:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/03/england-rivers-election-sewage-water-pollution
"But total ignorance rules. On the Farming Forum, a popular chat site, opinion is overwhelmingly in Price’s favour. He is portrayed as a salt-of-the-earth type just trying to make a living, though the court documents reveal that he has assets worth between £21m and £25m."

"It’s bad enough that the extreme concentration of landholding in the UK means an extreme concentration of daily decision-making. It’s even worse when some landowners seem performatively ignorant of the most basic facts of ecology and hydrology. It’s worse still when they insist on being treated as the “guardians of the countryside”.

I mention this to make forum members aware he may be lurking in the background, and using the 'ignorant' forum content to satisfy his £60K salary at the Grauniad.

@PSQ You have to admire anyone brave enough to come on here admitting to reading the Gruniad.

Goweresque · May 4, 2023

Bald Rick said:
I expect he will be selective in what he reads or rather, wishes to read

A honest person though, might wish to engage... is right, George?

Voyeurs don't say much.........

Steevo · May 4, 2023

topground said:
Just imagine the fun we could have if Monbiot had the balls to come on here in his own name and debate his line of argument. He could also provide us with his answers to the problem humanity has with feeding itself.

Vader · May 4, 2023

It does make you wonder if people like him are genuinely stupid to believe what they write or clever and just fo it to feed their fans?

The whole river/ditch cleaning thing for nature or to help against flooding is the latest trendy idea but only by those who don't live or work near rivers so don't understand the reality. Even when pointed out.

If farmers do clean out, we monster's.
EA do it and make a mess, they learn from mistakes and carry on..

BRB John · May 4, 2023

topground said:
Just imagine the fun we could have if Monbiot had the balls to come on here in his own name and debate his line of argument. He could also provide us with his answers to the problem humanity has with feeding itself.

I know his answer but even he is to cowardly to admit it. He wants everyone except a tiny number of tree huggers to be dead so earth could return to his paradise as he so sees it.

Hence his attempts to restrict food production as much as possible in the name of "nature" where it really is just his pathetic attempts at genocide.

Ffermer Bach · May 4, 2023

DrWazzock said:
The fundamental issue is that these folk who put ecology first have no credible answers to or even acknowledgement of the collateral damage and suffering that their approach will cause to farming production systems that keep people alive in huge numbers.
And while I agree that loss of biodiversity is in itself a kind of collateral damage, it’s not as pressing or immediate or downright distressing as flooding of homes, flooding of farmland and resultant food shortages that would be gradually incurred on a larger and larger scale : shortages maybe not in the U.K. but in those countries from which we would need to suck evermore imports to make up for our production losses.
I do “get” the ecological argument, it’s valid and it’s worthy, but the problem is that while we’ve a human population many times higher than what is sustainable, we cannot just abandon the drainage systems on which our food production relies.
It is of course tempting to say “to hell with them all” I’ll let my farm go back to nature as Mr Monbiot espouses, I’d be alright Jack, but if this is done widely in the U.K. we will fuel food shortages worldwide and increase hardship and suffering greatly at present human population levels. And the next thing we’ll be accused of is genocide. Not here but in some desparate far away place that’s stripped of what little resources it has to feed us here while we sit on our backsides waxing lyrical about dragon flies, newts and things that live under stones.

and also, it will increase migration and boats across the channel, that is why I am in favour of overseas aid, not only because it's the right thing for a relatively wealthy country to do but also self interest as it stops migration.

010101 · May 4, 2023

Just commenting on a thread about an article about a thread is cool.
Please Mr Moonbiot mention this new thread, just for the sheer recursion factor.

PSQ · May 4, 2023

topground said:
@PSQ You have to admire anyone brave enough to come on here admitting to reading the Gruniad.

If you want to read a 'free' paper at 5am it's either the Guardian or the Daily Mail (aka the Daily Heil or Daily Vile).
I despise the Mail for pretending to have any morality, whereas I only severely dislike the Guardian.

But "you get what you pay for" as they say, and they're both crammed with objective political moon howling written by polarised bitter ~~nut jobs~~ 'extremists', that would otherwise be unemployable.

You also lose the best part of both papers by not having them delivered, as it is really difficult to wipe your arse with the digital edition.

serf · May 4, 2023

Kevtherev said:
George probably looks in daily for more ammunition for his one sided views.
Little understanding of rural life from inside his ivory towers.

Well his article did seen to follow the timeline of events on here inc. the Olly blogs piece , would all this info normally be on his go to places ?

Ceri · May 4, 2023

topground said:
Just imagine the fun we could have if Monbiot had the balls to come on here in his own name and debate his line of argument. He could also provide us with his answers to the problem humanity has with feeding itself.

Hes openly said he wants us to eat processed gruel GROWN in mass factories…. But it’ll be grand cause you’ll be able to get different flavours like chicken dinner flavour gruel or burger & chips flavoured gruel it’s going to be amazing, I can’t wait……

Ffermer Bach · May 4, 2023

Vader said:
It does make you wonder if people like him are genuinely stupid to believe what they write or clever and just fo it to feed their fans?

The whole river/ditch cleaning thing for nature or to help against flooding is the latest trendy idea but only by those who don't live or work near rivers so don't understand the reality. Even when pointed out.

If farmers do clean out, we monster's.
EA do it and make a mess, they learn from mistakes and carry on..

biggest mistake from John Price, he should have put out a statement saying "lessons have been learnt from the whole affair", then it would have been all done and dusted!

Ceri · May 4, 2023

Ceri said:
Hes openly said he wants us to eat processed gruel GROWN in mass factories…. But it’ll be grand cause you’ll be able to get different flavours like chicken dinner flavour gruel or burger & chips flavoured gruel it’s going to be amazing, I can’t wait……

Surely bang some food colouring init to make it look all cool and funky…. The more I think about it the more I’m looking forward to this new world my 9 month old son grows up in……….

Goweresque · May 4, 2023

PSQ said:
If you want to read a 'free' paper at 5am it's either the Guardian or the Daily Mail (aka the Daily Heil or Daily Vile).

You can read the Daily Telegraph for free if you disable javascript from running on their website.

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J 1177 · May 4, 2023

topground said:
Just imagine the fun we could have if Monbiot had the balls to come on here in his own name and debate his line of argument. He could also provide us with his answers to the problem humanity has with feeding itself.

He wont, likes to snipe from the sidelines to support what ever cause is paying him the most this week.

soapsud · May 4, 2023

Goweresque said:
Voyeurs don't say much.........

They don't do much either

Jackov Altraids · May 4, 2023

Life and nature mainly consist of cycles.
I don't think Mr Monbiot is particularly special in that it seems a fault in modern thinking that we can remove the bit of a cycle we don't like.
Gordon Brown was going to stop boom and bust.
Others want to avoid the hassle of improving nature and just introduce apex predators.
Many want to remove death from the circle of life.

I don't think I've ever commented on the River Lugg thread.
My main observation was about motivation.
What did Mr Price have to gain?
As far as I can tell, he spent a lot of time and money and is now doing time purely because he wanted to do 'the right thing'.
Having lived and worked in the area as he had, I would trust his opinion on what 'the right thing' was.
I don't believe whether he is a farmer or not is relevant beyond the ability to have attained that experience.

killie_cowboy · May 4, 2023

Ffermer Bach said:
and also, it will increase migration and boats across the channel, that is why I am in favour of overseas aid, not only because it's the right thing for a relatively wealthy country to do but also self interest as it stops migration.

Or you could just have armed border patrol on the beaches like any strong nation in the past...

010101 · May 4, 2023

Jackov Altraids said:
Life and nature mainly consist of cycles.
I don't think Mr Monbiot is particularly special in that it seems a fault in modern thinking that we can remove the bit of a cycle we don't like.
Gordon Brown was going to stop boom and bust.
Others want to avoid the hassle of improving nature and just introduce apex predators.
Many want to remove death from the circle of life.

I don't think I've ever commented on the River Lugg thread.
My main observation was about motivation.
What did Mr Price have to gain?
As far as I can tell, he spent a lot of time and money and is now doing time purely because he wanted to do 'the right thing'.
Having lived and worked in the area as he had, I would trust his opinion on what 'the right thing' was.
I don't believe whether he is a farmer or not is relevant beyond the ability to have attained that experience.

It's the challenge of absolute control that was relevant.
State bureaucrats assume absolute control whenever they can.

Cab-over Pete · May 4, 2023

I find it strange that Monbiot felt the need to draw the reader’s attention to the assets and wealth Mr Price has.

What has that got to do with anything? I own next to nothing but I don’t hesitate to unblock a ditch or cut a branch back if it’s inconvenient or dangerous.

The more I read about this waste of space with all the ideas but never actually doing anything useful, the less inclined I am to find out more or listen to him.

I dare say he’s one of these fools that thinks Mr Price and his wealth is abhorrent and that all land should belong to “the people “.

There comes a point when loafing around talking drivel about your opinion needs to stop and when something actually needs doing to get work done or sort problems out.

I’m always on the side of the doers, not the talkers. The talkers seem to get paid but achieve nothing and the doers often do stuff for no personal gain.

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