What are we expecting?
SFI release at Cereals
- Thread starter jackrussell101
- Start date
- Location
- Bury St Edmunds
Based on previous releases I’d guess a pogo stick and a skipping rope, one will be missing the spring the other missing the handles.
- Location
- North Somerset.
Both ends of a rope being thrown to a drowning man?
- Location
- Lincolnshire
Large number of civil servants, Nfus, corderouy trousers in a circle tossing each other off. Farmers scrambling around for peanuts, bowing and scraping like good slaves.
- Location
- East yorks
Cereals 2023: U-turn on pledge to move past income foregone in ELM - Farmers Weekly
Farming minister Mark Spencer has rowed back on a Defra pledge to move beyond income foregone payments in the Environmental Land Management (ELM) scheme.
www.fwi.co.uk
- Location
- Durham, UK
WeaselCereals 2023: U-turn on pledge to move past income foregone in ELM - Farmers Weekly
Farming minister Mark Spencer has rowed back on a Defra pledge to move beyond income foregone payments in the Environmental Land Management (ELM) scheme.
- Location
- East yorks
no your worth farmers, we will pay everyone else involved from advisors to vets £50 an hour. You can have £2.45 and hour take all the risk and be grateful
- Location
- South Molton
Clive happy with his lot, he said as much on the ask Janet and John thread.
spin cycle
Member
- Location
- north norfolk
Cereals 2023: U-turn on pledge to move past income foregone in ELM - Farmers Weekly
Farming minister Mark Spencer has rowed back on a Defra pledge to move beyond income foregone payments in the Environmental Land Management (ELM) scheme.
I don't know what that means
- Location
- South Molton
Difference between earning capacity and what it actually delivers.
Income forgone doesn't necessarily count the costs or management time etc.
Just the Income you may have lost on average.
- Location
- East yorks
they won;t pay market rates for what we do, just the minimum the can get away with. So might not include your time etc Unlike everyone else who gets to invoice at full market rates.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
It doesn’t seem very clear. It almost come across like he’s saying “There have been rumours we were planning to move away from working on an income foregone basis (to profit?)…..but the truth is we were never considering income foregone as an idea in the first place.”
It sounds like misdirection to me. Say something but actually nothing.
- Location
- Breckland
SFI will end up like red tractor.
A small number of farmers who think they are progressive( arse lickers) will sign and claim a competitive advantage. This in turn will mean everyone else signs up. A few years down the road and funding will be cut but the environmental / welfare conditions will remain and at the cost to all farmers. There will be a huge outcry on the farming forum rightly stating how wrong it all is, but it will be too late.
A small number of farmers who think they are progressive( arse lickers) will sign and claim a competitive advantage. This in turn will mean everyone else signs up. A few years down the road and funding will be cut but the environmental / welfare conditions will remain and at the cost to all farmers. There will be a huge outcry on the farming forum rightly stating how wrong it all is, but it will be too late.
Steevo
Member
- Location
- Gloucestershire
“We’re redesigning the whole system to try to support farmers in a new world which is rapidly coming. I accept that is very challenging, but the £2.4bn which was there for the Basic Payment Scheme is ringfenced and is not going anywhere.”
Isn’t it a bit late to be redesigning the whole system?
I mean clearly it needs junking and starting again, but we farmers told them that about 5 years ago. They are planning to go live imminently if they haven’t really done so already.
It seems laughable really to make such a comment. A bit like if they said they were planning to alter the route of HS2 now. Creating even more total uncertainty.
Isn’t it a bit late to be redesigning the whole system?
I mean clearly it needs junking and starting again, but we farmers told them that about 5 years ago. They are planning to go live imminently if they haven’t really done so already.
It seems laughable really to make such a comment. A bit like if they said they were planning to alter the route of HS2 now. Creating even more total uncertainty.
- Location
- Northumberland
Soooo… what’s the point of any farmer going into ELMS if it’s only going to pay for (a civil servant’s estimation of) income foregone? It just means the farmer ends up running’round doing more fiddly stuff than they would have been doing, taking the risk when things go wrong (poor germination of margins etc), and they also take various other financial risks (payments not keeping up with inflation, inspections knocking back/clawing back payments, payments at random/unspecified long times after work is done etc).
Seriously-I don’t get why you would sign up unless you stood to make something out of it. Might as well have an easier life and stick to the enterprises you’re already doing than have to try to comply with a whole load of new rules.
Seriously-I don’t get why you would sign up unless you stood to make something out of it. Might as well have an easier life and stick to the enterprises you’re already doing than have to try to comply with a whole load of new rules.
- Location
- Northumberlandia
SFi for my business atm is a non starter its so small the amount its just not worth the costs of getting into it
So i hope there changing the Goal posts soon.
BPS income is dropping something has to give, but what is the Q ??
So i hope there changing the Goal posts soon.
BPS income is dropping something has to give, but what is the Q ??
- Location
- Northumberland
In the business world, no-one would voluntarily take on extra work and extra responsibilities (and risks) without expecting a pay rise. Why are farmers expected to spin more plates without a pay rise?
I'm guessing that's what the the powers that be are hoping , they can then say we offered x billion and it wasn't taken so we can now let you farm on world markets and we'll use that money instead to deliver more inspections , red tape and legal legislation that will once and for all b#gger any chance of UK Ag been able compete on the world market (withoutsub), "oh" , and just in case some smart a#se farmer's are still scraping a living we'll do our utmost best to import as much food produced to sub standards (banned here) to really undermine domestic production ,and we'll become net zero because the country will have rewild itself as the farmers go broke
Oh no, It's going everywhere else except farming.
Blatantly stealing the BPS budget while promising to return the 'borrowed' "ringfenced" funds (i.e. leaving it to the next 'government' to bury) is straight from ScotGovs playbook.
This is what it looks like when a politician blatantly lies through her teeth:
That has to be the best description of those people i have ever read of TFF!!
awesome well done.. and so true!!!