The war in Ukraine...

farmerm

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Thats ok, at least it kept you from trolling Brian for a while (y)
The problem is because we are trolling Brian we are wasting the opportunities to troll Russians! It is fascinating on Telegram, Russian really do behave like members of a brainwashed cult. They all parrot much the same Russian propaganda and most completely ignore responding to anything that does not fit into the narrative. Ask about the Wagner soldiers who admit being ordered to kill civilians and silence, they can not process it, it just doesn’t compute. 🤷‍♂️.
 

Robbt

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The problem is because we are trolling Brian we are wasting the opportunities to troll Russians! It is fascinating on Telegram, Russian really do behave like members of a brainwashed cult. They all parrot much the same Russian propaganda and most completely ignore responding to anything that does not fit into the narrative. Ask about the Wagner soldiers who admit being ordered to kill civilians and silence, they can not process it, it just doesn’t compute. 🤷‍♂️.
Sorry,the only troll on this thread is BrianV 🙂
 

Henarar

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Sorry,the only troll on this thread is BrianV 🙂
where has he trolled anyone ? quote it
but your post that I have quoted is trolling as its both off topic and provocative
Why are you sorry about it ? and how do you feel when you are sorry ?
 
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neilo

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BrianV

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Is this trolling if you are unable to get Bloomberg?

BLOOMBERG REPORT

Ukraine Vows to Press On as US Warns Fighting Time Running Out​


Firefighters extinguish a fire in a market following rocket strikes in Kostiantynivka, Ukraine, on Sept. 6.

Firefighters extinguish a fire in a market following rocket strikes in Kostiantynivka, Ukraine, on Sept. 6.
Photographer: Andriy Reznikov/Global Images Ukraine/Getty Images

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By Daryna Krasnolutska
9 September 2023 at 21:00 CEST
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10 September 2023 at 09:08 CEST

The top-ranking US military officer said time is running short before bad weather hampers Ukraine’s ground operations for the rest of the year, even as Kyiv vowed to push on with its bid to liberate occupied territory from Russia.
There are “probably about 30 to 45 days’ worth of fighting weather left,” General Mark Milley, chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told the BBC in an interview.
For now, “there’s still heavy fighting going on,” Milley said. Ukraine is “progressing at a very steady pace through the Russian front lines.”
Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine’s military intelligence chief, said Saturday that the counteroffensive will continue as the weather worsens, although “it is harder to fight in the cold.”
Russia has more than 420,000 troops stationed in the areas of Ukraine it occupies, including Crimea, Ukraine’s military intelligence service estimated, without saying how it derived the figure.
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Those numbers are “powerful,” Vadym Skibitskyi, a representative of the service, told the annual Yalta European Strategy forum in Kyiv, organized by billionaire Victor Pinchuk’s Foundation.
The figure doesn’t include “special forces” supporting the security of Moscow-installed occupation authorities, he said — including those running elections this weekend deemed illegal under international law and condemned as “shams” by the US.
Russia annexed Ukraine’s Black Sea peninsula of Crimea in 2014 and four more regions - Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson - as part of its full-scale invasion launched in February 2022. Beyond Crimea, the Kremlin doesn’t fully control any of the regions.

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Ukrainian tanks train in the Chernihiv region on Sept. 8.Photographer: Anatolii Stepanov/AFP/Getty Images
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Kyiv’s ground counteroffensive started in early June. It has progressed slowly after Kremlin troops spent months building multi-layered defense lines, including minefields, ditches and cement blockades known as dragon’s teeth.
“It’s a very complex set of defensive preparations that the Ukrainians are fighting through,” Milley said in an interview with a Jordanian TV station in late August.
Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, the Ukrainian general leading the southern counteroffensive, told the Guardian this month that Russia devoted 60% of its time and resources into building the first defensive line and only 20% each into the second and third lines - highlighting the importance of punching through the first line.
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Ukrainian forces are trying to advance toward the south of the Zaporizhzhia region to split Russian troop formations and cut some off them from Crimea.

“Russia turned Crimea into powerful military base,” Skibitskyi said. “Russia is actively using the Crimean peninsula for supplying personnel, military equipment and weapons to its troops in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions,” as well as as a launching ground for missile attacks.
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Russia is also still aiming to reach the administrative borders of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions and is conducting active hostilities near Kupyansk, Lyman and Maryinka to that end, according to Skibitskyi.
The Russian contingent there “includes tanks, armored vehicles, artillery systems and multiple rocket launchers,” he added.
Overall, Russia’s use of anti-tank weapons and “massive” deployment of drones has limited the effectiveness of Ukraine’s armored vehicles, forcing much of the counteroffensive to be done on foot, Budanov said.

(Recasts with Milley comments)


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Number of Russian occupiers in Ukraine exceeds 420,000 − Ukrainian Defence Intelligence​

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Still haven't woken up to the fact that all of this is as a direct result of the expansion of Nato I see. Just imagine a Rusia/China military alliance setting up shop in mexico for example.

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent the UN. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course the UN didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted the UN sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted them to remove their military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, , introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. The UN rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.
 

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